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Author Topic:   Is Christ cruel? (For member Schrafinator)
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 3 of 306 (213082)
06-01-2005 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by J. Davis
06-01-2005 8:59 AM


what is wrong with god being cruel? if he foreknew and predestined all man-as the bible says-according each to his path, then he has created some to fall. why can't he choose whom he desires? he is not bound by our meager moral ideals of democracy and equality. he is not bound by our ideas of what justice ought to be. if he made all that there is and he made the rules, then he can full well decide who will follow them and who will not. nowhere does it say that he is benevolent. this is our own demand. as such, if he truly created the universe and conquered chaos, then he deserves praise simply for that, not because he is loving or any of that weak mushy bullshit.
in my opinion, either god is not benevolent or his truth is much different from what we know. ie there is no condemnation or condemnation follows rules of being 'religious' as the word defines it (love widows and children and care for each other) and not some arbitrary 'i love jesus' statement.
Luke 20 Then He lifted up His eyes toward His disciples, and said: "Blessed are you poor, For yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, For you shall be filled. Blessed are you who weep now, For you shall laugh. 22 Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man's sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.
24 "But woe to you who are rich, For you have received your consolation. 25 Woe to you who are full, For you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now, For you shall mourn and weep. 26 Woe *to you when *all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets.
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise. 32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you." 39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher. 41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye.
43 "For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil *treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
there is much in this that reminds of kharma and such. perhaps it is not that we must call on his name, but that we should follow his words.
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 06-01-2005 12:56 PM
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 7 of 306 (213109)
06-01-2005 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Percy
06-01-2005 1:10 PM


i only used caps in one post to demonstrate that i wasn't doing it out of spite. you're being argumentative and this post is off topic and a personal attack and i'd like you to bugger off.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 11 of 306 (213120)
06-01-2005 1:36 PM
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06-01-2005 1:31 PM


i have no idea. i think i'm over sensitive cause everytime i've posted since then, the only reply to my post has been a comment on my continued lack of caps. ignore me. i'm stressed out and on edge of late.

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