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Author Topic:   Is Christ cruel? (For member Schrafinator)
mikehager
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Message 6 of 306 (213102)
06-01-2005 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by J. Davis
06-01-2005 8:59 AM


Excuse me?
God can be all-powerful yet has chosen to give you the choice of belief/disbelief.
Do you fail to see the contradiction? God created me. God is all knowing. God knew when he created the universe that Mike Hager would come into being and that he would see the world and find that it contradicts the existence of God every step of the way. I made that choice, but God set up me and the game full knowing what the outcome would be. I was allowed by God to exist with God's full knowledge that I would, under his rules, be consigned to the pit. No amount of sophistry and apologetics will change that. I was created for no reason other then to be punished.
If your idea of God exists, he did these things and he is cruel. Thankfully, your god does not exist and I need noty worry about it.

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mikehager
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Message 12 of 306 (213124)
06-01-2005 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
06-01-2005 1:33 PM


Re: You left out one important bit
What you've left out, as everyone always does, is that He has mercifully and fairly allowed you to learn everything you need to know to save yourself from the pit. You know he's all-powerful, you know he has a definite plan to save some and condemn others, you know how he makes this determination and you have been given every opportunity to reconsider your views.
I have certainly not left anything out. It's very simple. Given for the moment that God exists, he created me as I am with foreknowledge of my nature. He is responsible for my nature. He is also responsible for every piece of information I recieve and the way in which I process it. So, I was created to be punished. My choice that you emphasize is an illusion. The game was rigged from the get go. Creating a being knowing that you will end up subjecting it to eternal torment is cruel.
I'm sorry that you can't understand or accept this simple reasoning. As It's a good thing none of these fables are true, so I don't have fire and red men with horns poking me with pitchforks for eternity to look forward to.

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mikehager
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Message 17 of 306 (213142)
06-01-2005 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
06-01-2005 1:48 PM


Re: You left out one important bit
Okay, you don't understand the argument at all. Fine. I give up. Anyone else want to try?

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mikehager
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Message 130 of 306 (213498)
06-02-2005 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by J. Davis
06-02-2005 8:14 AM


Re: Schraf I can tell you a couple things for sure about salvation.
I don't preach that God is cruel or a monstrous creature, that isn't my God, so don't say it. Christ was perfect, and forgave many, and healed whoever came to him, so don't make out I worship a devil, when I have cearly stated the opposite.
On the contrary, if you believe in a deity with infinite knowledge of the all things future and past, that created all things, and condemns those that don't follow his rules to some form of eternal punishment, you do worship a cruel and monstrous god. Sorry if you can't accept or understand that.
It's all irrelevant, of course. We may as well be arguing over whether Santa Claus is cruel for skipping the Jewish kid's houses.

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mikehager
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Message 132 of 306 (213501)
06-02-2005 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by J. Davis
06-02-2005 11:19 AM


Unrefuted?
Claim it all you want. It isn't so. Here's why...
So you must show that God intends specific beings in hell and their names, before the outcome.
No such thing need be shown. Unless you will agree that within your belief system no person who has died in the past has been condemned by your god and only those currently living have a chance of being condemned does your argument work.
We'll take this slow. Do you agree with the above? Yes or no will suffice.

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