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Hitler, Evolution, and Christianity

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06-04-2005 12:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
06-04-2005 10:00 AM

People can misuse anything. Every invention is neutral by its nature. Whether we are talking about a technology like fire, an idea such as Religion or a theory such as Evolution, the invention is neutral. People such as Hitler can misuse anything. We can see this clearly today with the large body of people misusing Christianity to oppress and suppress a part of our population.
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06-06-2005 6:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
06-06-2005 4:38 PM

Re: Quotes from Hitler
In addition, it is possible to produce a viryually unlimited number of quotes from Hitler and other Nazi's where they specifically say they are acting from Christian morals. I've included a half dozen or so but there are literally hundreds of such quotes.
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Hitler was a mad man but anti-semitism was, and still is, very common. His views on that subject were not much different than Henry Ford's or Thomas Edison's. Before transportation became difficult the German solution was to encourage resettlement to Palestine and many of the first kibbutz we established by pre-war Nazis.
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To attribute the horrors of the Holocaust to some Darwinian connection is as invalid as attributing it to Christianity and there is far more evidence for the Christian connection. Hitler would have found justification regardless of whether or not any of the outside influences existed.
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If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb. 1939
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06-07-2005 3:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 36 by lfen
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Re: Quotes from Hitler
Anti-semitism was also ubiquitous. It was not simply a German Phenomenon. It was absolutely a Christian driven phenomenon and around long before Darwin.
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06-07-2005 4:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
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Re: Quotes from Hitler
Please explain Anti-Semitism in a Non-Christian context.
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06-09-2005 11:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 52 by robinrohan
06-09-2005 11:24 PM

Re: The world according to Hitler
What I conclude from this:
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1. There is a strain of pseudo-Darwinism running through this "world view." I am not sure where Christianity fits in.
2. This tells us that scientific ideas, misunderstood or willfully misused, can be dangerous. They are especially dangerous because scientific ideas, being scientific, have prestige. Therein lies the danger.
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Can you substitute some other basic subject for 'scientific ideas'? How about religious beliefs or political ideology or messianic vision?
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06-15-2005 3:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 82 by robinrohan
06-15-2005 3:41 PM

Re: Secondary evidence
You can find many of his speeches online but it's often difficult to sift through the clutter. here are a few in their entirety.
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06-18-2005 1:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 96 by robinrohan
06-18-2005 1:24 PM

Re: Hitler's use of Christianity
You need to remember that the opinions he's expressing were not that radical. They were in fact, fairly commonly held beliefs.
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For another view, take some time to look over Henry Ford's writings about Jews. You can find some of them in an abridged version here.
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You can find the full version here.
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06-18-2005 4:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 98 by robinrohan
06-18-2005 3:22 PM

Re: Hitler's use of Christianity
Well, if you'll invest the time to read what Henry Ford wrote I think you'll see some striking resemblances between Hitler and Ford. Hitler believed he had a Christian duty to save the world from Jew Finances. Ford would have agreed but took it even further. Ford saw the Jew as the biggest threat that ever existed towards civilization.
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