Should those of religious faith be allowed to run this country?

OK, I'll bite. I agree with GDR that if a Muslim president were elected fairly by the voters we'd simply have to live with it.I also agree with whoever said it would be a very different world at that point, if this Muslim president observed all the Muslim rituals as he should.Myself, I'm inclined to expect that Islam will eventually be calling the shots in this nation in one way or another anyway, because their aim is and always has been the subjugation of the entire world to Allah, and we have no will to stop them, having abandoned our Christian roots.That being the case, I'm inclined to believe it's God's judgment against us because we've abandoned the true God, who is certainly not Allah. The Israelites were warned (in Leviticus and Deuteronomy) of the destruction of their nation if they didn't obey, and you can follow the fulfillment of those prophecies up through the history of Israel and even up to this day. The New Testament tells us to take the whole Old Testament, including what happened to Israel as admonitions to us about how God does things.{edit to correct grammar}This message has been edited by Faith, 06-03-2005 08:38 PM

And of course it wouldn't be wrong to demand that everyone else kneel with them. They don't have to pray, just a moment of silence.

LOL. Hello Faith.
Did you ever stop to wonder if perhaps the God of Abraham may be a new and improved version of a Babylonian god named Elli? Is it even remotely possible that the Judiac people incorporated Babylonian mythology into they're own tall tales?This message has been edited by 1.61803, 06-04-2005 10:02 AM

No.

You are going to have to lay a more artful trap to lure them in, Brad.
They aren't going to walk head-on into that one.
(except maybe Faith ) That outlook seems, at first, a little defeatist, but also presumptive. Do we really know that Islam wants to 'subjugate the entire world' ? Or are you just transposing the goals of Christianity onto a competing ideology ? Maybe they would just leave us alone if we left them alone ? We can't really find that out now because we have been messing with them for so long over this Palestinian situation. So what's really holding back our subjugation of Islam is that we don't have enough God-fearing Christians in America to oppose them ideologically?This message has been edited by EZscience, 06-04-2005 01:07 PM

Typical leftist propaganda delusion. The leftist support of Islam is going to bite them in the butt big time some day. Islam from the beginning has had the goal of subduing the world to Allah. The left is feeding right into their hands these days. No, they have no intention of leaving anybody alone when they have the opportunity to make a move for Allah. Yes, we *know* this. You may not know it, but that's because you've been listening to the propaganda from the Leftist butt that's going to be bit big time.We should have known something about Muslim intentions if only from the actions of the Muslim pirates who kidnapped and enslaved American sailors in the time of Washington and Adams, because America was considered by them to be a Christian nation, and Christians like all "infidels" worthy only of humiliation, servitude or death. Nobody's proposing subjugating Islam, simply keeping them from subjugating us, and the reason I am suggesting for why we may not be able to keep them from it is that *as a nation* we've been violating God's laws. Our complete destruction is probably taking so long to arrive in full force simply because there ARE lots of God-fearing Christians who keep praying for the nation even while the Left does its best to bury us all.There are times, I must say, when I feel like saying, "Bring it on, Lord, I'm sick of this nation that hates You and Your law. I'd rather have my head sawn off than see it go on another day." But guess what, unlike me God is merciful to all you ingrates and continues to give you time to repent.

You didn't really say this in seriousness, did you?

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We should have known something about Muslim intentions if only from the actions of the Muslim pirates who kidnapped and enslaved American sailors in the time of Washington and Adams, because America was considered by them to be a Christian nation, and Christians like all "infidels" worthy only of humiliation, servitude or death.

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And we should know something about Christian intentions, since good Christian Americans enslaved so many more Africans.The history of medievel Europe pretty much shows how it is a part of Christian ideology to forcibly impose Christian beleifs on others.

ROTFLMAO!!!!Very glad you brought that up. I assume you've read the Treaty of Tripoli?

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Go look at my Isalm thread where u wer reefutedto faithThis message has been edited by Chris Porteus, 06-04-2005 09:55 PM

Yes I'm aware of the Treaty of Tripoli and that Washington assured the pirates that they were wrong, that we are not a Christian nation. All he meant was that unlike Europe our state and church are separate. If he meant what all the secularists claim he meant I have to rethink my appreciation of our founders as he betrayed the vast majority of American citizens in that case.HOWEVER, none of this is relevant to the point, which is that the Muslim pirates considered American sailors to be Christians, and Christians to be fair game for kidnapping and enslavement. Don't change the subject.

Not only did he mean what he said but in case you haven't noticed, it's the truth. That is something you have been trying to make the point through repeated assertions, but like everything else from your knowledge of history to your understanding of Christianity, all your posts are doing is showing that you don't have a clue.Our current friends the British were also impressing our seamen which lead to the War of 1812 (even though that was yet another example of sheer stupidity on the US part and classic overreaction and a rush to use force when diplomacy would have and did do as well).

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Right Jar, the English were impressing our seamen and enslaving them, because they were Christians and the English believe that Christians are infidels who need to be treated like dogs and they too needed to be assured that America was not a Christian country. Right.

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Well, the right is not responding...so I'll post what I'm getting at here. I assumed (I know assuming makes an ass out of you and me) that the right's response would be to not want someone of a different faith in office because they would be worshiping a false God, and be unable to hold up american ideals. But to an atheist every God is just as false as another. So by the same logic that they would not want someone in office praying to mecca three times a day, so an atheist does not want a Christian in office seeking a direction for this country from their God. This is all I was getting at. If the right wants to give an answer as to why someone of the islamic faith should be denied office, and a christian should be granted office...that could be interesting.

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So really, the intention of the post was to find someone dumb enough to post their thoughts, if those thoughts pertained to bigotry, and then have at them, ensuring your place in this electronic community here at evc as a person who might be good at debating? Frankly, I think this is a horrible way to start discussions, please tell me about your thoughts on the conservative population in America, for that is what you wanted to put on display, so maybe evcers like NosyNed, and jar could sit back and chuckle. I don't appreciate the bringing out of a group of individuals for chuckles. These feelings of superiority to the religious right, tell me that productive disscussions cannot be attained by talking with you, now that isn't what you wanted is it? Of course not.It's funny that you still seek these conversations with some guy living in a bayou, it grants you satisfaction to watch someone be "shut down" on an online forum, that's sick.This message has been edited by prophex, 06-04-2005 10:47 PM

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I'm sure your aware of the "holy wars" known as the Crusades.Finding historical events as evidence are very easy to refute, when one looks back a bit further at the probable mentality of the "pirates" who practiced Islam.

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