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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: They don't answer the question. 1 Corinthians 13:4 to 8 doesn't speak of love at all and 1 John 4:8 is circular and meaningless in this context. Hell, torment, and the devil are made up by those, like you, who want both revenge on their perceived enemies and to feel that hey are superior over those who don't believe as they do.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Neanderthals are not a human ancestor.
Not our direct ancestor, but still in the same tree and still interfertile. Their ancestors left Africa before ours did and they evolved along the way.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Wouldn't it be more like the invading Cro Magons?
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Better a bad influence than no influence at all.
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NimLore Inactive Member |
About the Ica Stones.. Are there tests able to be done that can identify when these stones were carved?
If they are real than obviously some people would try and counterfeit them just like money.. great for tourist trade... It is just like many of bones in museums are only replicas of the true thing.. So I do not think the Ica Stones can be dismissed as of yet. And the math of the ark says that 125,000 sheep sized creatures could fit into it.. yet we only have..what.. 18,000 or so identified land animals as of yet.. if any of the creatures that were born from an egg where brought on as eggs they would not need food, and if they were younger like babies than there food intake would be minimal as it is.. and if all the creatures were taken in as babies than.. hmmm... If Moses could survive for 40 days and nights without food or water than the matter of food is a non issue Exodus 34:28, I guess that is the benefit of having faith. And there are many reasons to believe that dinos and man coexisted, cryptozoology... sure I would think that some accounts are fabricated, but I find it hard to believe all accounts are fabricated...Let me blow your mind for a moment.. Look at the verse in Revelation 12:9.... I believe that Satan could very well have been a dinsoaur... HAHAHA I can just imagine your thoughts now... Add up the sciptures that allude to it... the reason that "Serpents" are the way they are today is because of a curse.. otherwise I would say dinos would be all over the place unless we killed them... I most certainly am open to correction if it is due.. and if you think it is due, it does not mean it is true.. You see in my doctrine it states that if you do not believen Christ Jesus as having been on earth, and was crucified to death and than rose again three days later, than I can conclude that you have been deceived and so I do not put much merit in your arguments if you fall in that category.. just as someone else judged me with... You are obviously easily convinced of lies...(now I do not write that to anyone in particular, but everyone in particular that does not believe in the only begotten Son of God) Concerning fossils and there construction.. everyone of them has to be made very quickly otherwise it is impossible for them to be made.. if a fish or a whale washes on shore and is not covered instananeously with the right amount of waters, minerals and what ever else than it fully decomposes... so the thought of any of them being covered by many thousands of years of sedimentary to fossilise can be scrapped. Correct me if I am wrong, but give me the scientific observation that can challenge that a fossil can be made in that way. pteradactyls are not dinosaurs? Enlighten me.
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NimLore Inactive Member |
Ok you obviously have no training inside of Koine Greek...
1 Corinthians 13 is about the word Agape.. and that same word is what is in 1 John 4:8 and as well as John 3:16... [This message has been edited by NimLore, 11-02-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Then you have to provide positive evidence.
quote: 18,000? How did you come to this figure? And please don't confuse 'named species' with 'total species' Also, why are we restricting this to land animals? And, lets not forget food, fresh-water, and waste disposal.
quote: Ever notice that not many eggs remain dormant for a whole year. Even if eggs were brought on board, they would hatch within a few weeks or so and then need to eat. That is, if they even hatched. Eggs need the appropriate environment or they die.
quote: Most animals reach very close to maturity is a year.
quote: Yes, you get to believe whatever you wish.
quote: No there aren't. There is no evidence whatsoever that dinosaurs and man coexisted.
quote: I feel that it is not my mind that is blown.
quote: Evidence...?
quote: Translation: Anyone who disagrees is wrong. So much for searching for caring about the truth. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com {Fixed UBB code for one of the quotes, and debolded some of the text in the process - Adminnemooseus} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-02-2002]
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Concerning fossils and there construction.. everyone of them has to be made very quickly otherwise it is impossible for them to be made.. if a fish or a whale washes on shore and is not covered instananeously with the right amount of waters, minerals and what ever else than it fully decomposes... so the thought of any of them being covered by many thousands of years of sedimentary to fossilise can be scrapped. Correct me if I am wrong, but give me the scientific observation that can challenge that a fossil can be made in that way."
--Fossils will not decompose quickly at the bottom of lakes in anaerobic conditions. Also, you have an enormous misconception in sedimentology and deposition. After watching all them Hovind videos you must be aware of the concept of uniformitarianism. While you were brainwashed into Hovinds twisted misrepresentation of the concept, the gradual deposition of sediments is sometimes carried out in a catastrophic manor as well. Say by the mechanism of landslides and such. In a mainstream POV, after studying it a bit, you will notice much of the reason why we find various fossils is from burial in lakes and the bottom of other bodies of water. ------------------
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by NimLore:
Ok you obviously have no training inside of Koine Greek... Training is irrelevant since the vast majority of Christians aren't bible scholars. 1 Corinthians 13 is about the word Agape and that same word is what is in 1 John 4:8 and as well as John 3:16... Define what you think love is.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3823 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[QUOTE][B]Are there tests able to be done that can identify when these stones were carved?[/QUOTE]
[/B] No.
[QUOTE][B]If they are real than obviously some people would try and counterfeit them just like money.. great for tourist trade...[/QUOTE] [/B] The problem is that there are no "real" examples. There has been no archeaological dig to recover any. The only place to obtain them is to buy them from the people who are carving them. If we sent somebody to dig them up himself rather than buying them from somebody, then it would be different.
[QUOTE][B]So I do not think the Ica Stones can be dismissed as of yet.[/QUOTE] [/B] No point in dismissing them because there is no reason to accept them yet. It's a South American cottage industry, carving rocks and selling them to tourists. If Real Science got involved then I would be more likely to take it seriously.
[QUOTE][B].. if any of the creatures that were born from an egg where brought on as eggs they would not need food[/QUOTE] [/B] They would, however, need incubation and the right level of humidity.
[QUOTE][B]and if they were younger like babies than there food intake would be minimal as it is..[/QUOTE] [/B] What would they be fed? What about the animals that required milk, or regurgitated food from a parent?
[QUOTE][B]If Moses could survive for 40 days and nights without food or water than the matter of food is a non issue Exodus 34:28, I guess that is the benefit of having faith.[/QUOTE] [/B] I have a better explanation. An alien mothership sucked them all up and put them in cryogenic suspension for fourty days and fourty nights. That is, as you said, the benefit of having faith.
[QUOTE][B]And there are many reasons to believe that dinos and man coexisted[/QUOTE] [/B] How do you explain that lack of overlap in the fossil record?
[QUOTE][B]cryptozoology...[/QUOTE] [/B] Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience, of about as much value as astrology and alchemy. Believers in that subject expect us to accept that there are dinosaurs in Loch Ness, yet one never dies, floats up the surface, and stinks up half of Scotland. Likewise, there are ape-men running around in the Pacific Northwest, but no bodies are ever found. Yet despite the fact that human murder victims turn up around national parks all the time, proving that there are essentially no reaches of forest somebody doesn't occasionally wander into. Cryptozoology is like the Ica Stones. As soon as you bring Nessie to the local aquarium, we will take it seriously, but not before, because there is no other reason to believe there are large, hitherto unknown creatures in a First World nation than some very questionable eyewitness accounts, just as easily explained by a wake, a log, or a seal.
[QUOTE][B]than I can conclude that you have been deceived and so I do not put much merit in your arguments if you fall in that category..[/QUOTE] [/B] That sounds like an excuse to ignore anything you find inconvenient to your worldview. If you consider yourself right because you just ignore anything that implies you are wrong, how sure are you that you really are correct?
[QUOTE][B]You are obviously easily convinced of lies[/QUOTE] [/B] I have the same opinion of you. Creationists have filled your head with lies about neanderthals, the workings of science, and the fossil record. Yet the scientists here could set you straight, but you already said you will not hear of it. That's not only being convinced of lies, it is remaining willfully ignorant of the way things really are.
[QUOTE][B]Correct me if I am wrong, but give me the scientific observation that can challenge that a fossil can be made in that way.[/QUOTE] [/B] It takes centuries for bones to decompose. That's a fact of archeaology. They dig up old remains all the time. But quick burial happens all the time. Animals drown in a river, their bones sink to the bottom and are covered by sand. They wander into a bog and sink into the mud. They die in the desert and are covered by a dune. They're buried by a mudslide. A volcano erupts and they are engulfed in a pyroclastic flow. Fossilization is more common than most people think.
[QUOTE][B]pteradactyls are not dinosaurs? Enlighten me.[/QUOTE] [/B] They're flying reptiles. They're no more dinosaur than lizards you might find in your backyard. [This message has been edited by gene90, 11-02-2002]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: Nimlore, Pterosaurs are NOT dinosaurs, neither are plesiosaurs, mosasaurs, & icthyosaurs. The Dinosauria
quote: Morphology of the Dinosauria
quote: Hope this helps, Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Nimlore,
[B][QUOTE]
Concerning fossils and there construction.. everyone of them has to be made very quickly otherwise it is impossible for them to be made.. if a fish or a whale washes on shore and is not covered instananeously with the right amount of waters, minerals and what ever else than it fully decomposes... so the thought of any of them being covered by many thousands of years of sedimentary to fossilise can be scrapped. Correct me if I am wrong, but give me the scientific observation that can challenge that a fossil can be made in that way. [/B][/QUOTE] Incorrect. Fossils can be formed quickly or slowly, depending on conditions. In fact, there is no real requirement for decay to stop after fossilisation has begun, provided the organic material remains. In most cases fossilisation of, say, vertebrates, requires fairly rare conditions. That is, anoxic, dry, rapid burial, high concentrations of preserving molecules like hydrogen sulphide. Any of the above could allow for burial & subsequent mineralisation. The minerals don't have to be present "in the right amounts" at all, they can be brought in in dissolved form. For example, the fossilised mummy of Leonardo, a juvenile brachylophosaurus. http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/...Dinosaurs/leonardo/leonardo.html
quote: "Leonardo, the mummy Brachylophosaurus, under preparation at the Phillips County Museum. Head and neck in the foreground." The most important part of fossilisation is the prevention of decay for long enough, so as permineralisation can take place. Can a whale that has been washed up become fossilised? Almost certainly not. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 11-03-2002]
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3823 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
Isn't Nessie supposed to be a pleisiosaur? That would make using it as "evidence" of recent dinosaurs useless. Guess that leaves them with Mokele-Mbembe.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, we have had a detailed discussion some months ago about the specifics and logistics of feeding animals on the ark. Nimlore, perhaps you would like to read through the thread and comment?
In particular, John Paul and I had a disussion of how just how much food and fresh water two horses would have required to survive for an entire year. The thread is in the "Geology and the Flood" topic, and it's called "Animals on the Ark". Review messages #9, 15, 29, 53, 54, 55, 63 for the horse feeding discussion Review messages #58, 64, 93, 96 for general ark construction and flood myth problems. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-03-2002]
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Karl Inactive Member |
quote: OK, Nimlore - lets have a proper look at this shall we? Firstly, since I do believe that Our Lord became incarnate, was crucified, died and was buried, and rose again on the third day, you can't use this to ignore the points I make, which, scientifically, are by and large exactly the same as those made by non-believing scientists. This, in turn, strongly implies that Christian belief doesn't actually have any effect whatsoever on the validity of one's scientific statements. Secondly, it's clear that you associate Christian belief with creationism. Well, whatever floats your boat. But please don't try to make it compulsory for the rest of us, there's a good chap. Your association of faith with Biblical literalism puts an intellectual stumbling block in front of people. And then you start stamping your little foot that people can't just throw their brains away and become YECs. You effectively disrail any attempt to make the Faith credible at an intellectual level. [This message has been edited by Karl, 11-04-2002]
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