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Author Topic:   Should those of religious faith be allowed to run this country?
MangyTiger
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Message 35 of 308 (214381)
06-04-2005 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
06-04-2005 11:08 PM


Re: No right response.
The Europeans are so crippled by leftist-inspired political correctness, multiculturalism and the stupid propaganda that says the Crusades were nothing but wrong, they are incapable of doing anything to save themselves from it. Well, give up your Christian roots and you get the demon Allah, that's the lesson here. Any chance America will heed it? Naah. Might as well get yourself a prayer rug and a hijab for your wife -- or mother and sisters if you don't have a wife. It's coming. Bye bye freedom, bye bye equality, bye bye all the Christian blessings of the West, hello Sharia law.
Naah, at least not where I live. If the Muslims go too far the Hindus and Sikhs will kick their ass...
EDITed to add Faith's addition.
This message has been edited by MangyTiger, 06-04-2005 11:25 PM

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MangyTiger
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Message 178 of 308 (215168)
06-07-2005 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
06-07-2005 7:03 PM


Re: Muslim moderates
You can't quote a Muslim source to argue against a critic of Islam.
Maybe it's 'cos I should be in bed by now but I'm wondering why nobody else found this hilariously funny?
To see why substitute two words and image Faith saying this:
You can't quote a Christian source to argue against a critic of Christianity.
Plausible or what?

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MangyTiger
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Message 210 of 308 (215328)
06-08-2005 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
06-08-2005 12:21 PM


Re: Academic bill of rights my A**
How about a whole semester's worth of anti-Dubya rants and a punitive refusal to tolerate another point of view? Yes this happens.
Since when is freedom of speech equivalent to a person in authority's having the power to ridicule the views of a student and grade him on his opinions instead of his knowledge of the course material? This is what is happening now.
Any chance of some evidence to back these assertions up? I'm not necessarily disputing whether they are true - I'm on the other side of the Atlantic after all - but it would be good to see some actual examples.
Well you knew somebody was going to ask didn't you?

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MangyTiger
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Message 215 of 308 (215335)
06-08-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
06-08-2005 12:33 PM


Re: Academic bill of rights my A**
The only thing I can think of that might be affected would be a professor's ridiculing or grading down a student because he doesn't believe in evolution even though the student could demonstrate an understanding of the course material from an evolutionist perspective. Wouldn't that seem fair to you? The point should be the ability to demonstrate an understanding of the evolutionist view despite personal beliefs.
One question - if the student doesn't believe in evolution but has a full grasp of the appropriate course materials (and so can complete their coursework and pass their exams) how would anybody know and why would they care?

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MangyTiger
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Message 217 of 308 (215337)
06-08-2005 12:46 PM
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06-08-2005 12:41 PM


Re: Academic bill of rights my A**
I would not doubt that there are examples -- there are so many schools that I would expect occassional abuses like this to occur. I would like to see good researched statistical data that show that this occurrs on such a regular basis, and that the internal review procedures are inadequate to deal with this problem, that legislation is justified.
I have to agree with you entirely.

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MangyTiger
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Message 282 of 308 (215542)
06-09-2005 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Faith
06-09-2005 12:26 AM


Re: Refs Acad Bill of Rights /CAIR / Koran
Just for grins I took a look at this and for no other reason than it caught my eye I looked at this one:
Wells College Suspends Student Republican Leader Three Weeks before Graduation
The link leads to an article which describes the situation leading up to her suspension and contains this:
Wells senior Nicole Krogman is the Co-Chairman of the Wells College Republicans and an editor of the Cornell American, a conservative publication at nearby Cornell University. She is the most high-profile conservative student at Wells.
In her final semester at Wells, Krogman undertook a non-credit bearing independent study tutorial with Professor Linda Lohn, Chair of Wells’ American Studies Department.
So I put 'Nicole Krogman' into Google and found a bunch of hits. It seems studentsforacademicfreedom.org chose to neglect to mention a rather crucial fact - namely that Krugman had to do this 'non-credit bearing independent study tutorial' because she was accused of plagiarism.
Now I make no comment as to her guilt or innocence, but I do say that the fact the site you link to did not mention perhaps the crucial fact in the whole episode does not give me a good feeling as to the integrity or veracity of the site.
Here's a newspaper article with some more info.
Of course one story picked at random isn't necessarily indicative of the true level of accuracy - but it's late and I can't be arsed to look at any more today

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