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wmscott
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Message 252 of 264 (216020)
06-10-2005 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by arachnophilia
05-27-2005 2:10 AM


The first myth we need to eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists
Dear Arachnophilia;
the bible has little to no historical validation, apart from egypt and jericho and jerusalem being real places.
R U nuts? The Bible has plenty of historical backing, while we don't have evidence for all events recorded in the Bible, it is a real history taking place in real places. There is a whole field called Biblical Archaeology, here is a link to a site for Biblical Archaeology Review.
Home - Biblical Archaeology Society
While the situation of the Book of Mormon and archaeology is summed up nicely by the following quote.
In 1973, Michael Coe, one of the best known authorities on archaeology of the New World, wrote an article for Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Summer 1973. After telling of the Mormon belief in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, he frankly stated: "Let me now state uncategorically that as far as I know there is not one professionally trained archaeologist, who is not a Mormon, who sees any scientific justification for believing the foregoing to be true,... nothing, absolutely nothing, has ever shown up in any New World excavation which would suggest to a dispassionate observer that the Book of Mormon... is a historical document relating to the history of early migrants to our hemisphere." (pp.42, 46)
http://www.utlm.org/...eresources/testingthebookofmormon.htm
So while you may quibble about this or that in the Bible not being found yet in archaeology, nothing in the book of Mormon has been found at all. While the Biblical narrative fits in with the archaeology of the times, proper place names, titles, geographical descriptions etc, the book of Mormon has major conflicts with archaeology on just about everything it states which reveals it to be a book of fiction.
For you to equate the archaeological backing of the Bible with the book of Mormon, shows ether very biased judgement or a near total lack of knowledge of the subject.
Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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wmscott
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Posts: 580
From: Sussex, WI USA
Joined: 12-19-2001


Message 257 of 264 (216124)
06-11-2005 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by arachnophilia
06-10-2005 11:42 PM


Re: The first myth we need to eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists
Dear Arachnophilia;
while the bible seems to record a particular group of people's particular views and traditions regarding things that seem to have actually happened (assyrian and babylonian exile for instance), the book of mormon does not seem to be recording any variants of anything that actually happened.
Yes, that was my point, while the Bible is historical, the Book of Mormon is not.
i wasn't equating them, really. it's just that when people claim there's a lot of historical evidence for the events in the bible (there's really not) and that we should accept the bible as a true, holy book because of it, but not the book of mormon because it has NO evidence, it sort of annoys me.
Yes, that was also my point, it "annoys" you, and that is what biased your judgement.
Sincerely yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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wmscott
Member (Idle past 6270 days)
Posts: 580
From: Sussex, WI USA
Joined: 12-19-2001


Message 258 of 264 (216129)
06-11-2005 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Legend
06-11-2005 5:37 AM


Re: The first myth we need to eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists
Dear Legend;
The Bible is full of historical improbability, for example, the synoptics' account of the Passion events is very unlikely to have happened in that way, based on what we know about Jewish laws and customs of the time. And I won't even start on how one-off accounts of zombies walking the streets of Jerusalem, fig trees dying in a day, etc. contradict any attempt to class it as 'real history'
The Bible is not merely a record of human history, the very point of it is that it is a record of God's dealing with humankind, a record of the power of God. Miracles are miracles, they are not explainable in terms of mere human history, otherwise they wouldn't be miracles.
As for the zombies, there are merely the result of misinterpreting the following verse.
(Matthew 27:52-53) "And the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons, coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people."
The dead bodies in the memorial tombs were raised up or tossed out by the earthquake that occurred when Jesus died. That is why it states that their bodies were raised and not the holy ones themselves. Then what happened is that people saw these exposed bodies and went into the city and told everyone and many people went and saw them. If you go back just one verse to 51 it states; (Matthew 27:51-52) "the earth quaked, and the rock-masses were split. And the memorial tombs were opened. . ." The tombs were opened by the earthquake.
See, all you have to do is look and you can find answers in the Bible, while the Book of Mormon is merely fiction that falls apart under examination.
Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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