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Author Topic:   The Academic Bill of Rights
CanadianSteve
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Message 121 of 178 (216143)
06-11-2005 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by crashfrog
06-11-2005 8:46 AM


More women then men attend university, including law and medicine faculties. But that is not enough. The bar is moved. The left, and especially feminists, will not be pleased until women dominate every faculty.
But that aside, stats are not the way to determine justice. Equal opportunity is, and the results fall as they do.
Your comment about conservatives not knowing justice is nothing other than obtuse silliness.

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Faith 
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Message 122 of 178 (216144)
06-11-2005 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by nator
06-11-2005 9:45 AM


Summary response to Schraf
Your MO seems to be asking cheap-shot nuisance questions to keep your opponents busy over all kinds of trivia instead of doing what you yourself should be doing in order to understand the subject matter.
The point I was making about the AAUP was that all those things have been discussed to death by Horowitz and company,every objection that has come up here in this discussion as a matter of fact, and you need to read his answers to the charges. I posted links to his discussions of the AAUP complaints in Message 93. I don't need to read the AAUP stuff because he's answered it and it amounts to just another typical nuisance discussion. If you want to dispute certain points, fine, but don't throw whole diatribes against the ABOR into the middle of a discussion that's the usual pile-on by the EvC Nitpickers and Naysayers while of course ignoring every point made on the other side.
Thank you.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 123 of 178 (216145)
06-11-2005 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by nator
06-11-2005 9:45 AM


Re: There is nothing about quotas or preferential hiring
I didn't mean to say that women outnumber men in faculty positions. I meant as students. And , just as more women get into university ebcause they get better High School marks, so faculty should be determined on merit. And yet, affirmative action made it easier for my daughters to get into law school and med school than my sons. That was dumb. They had equal opportunity (and a ton of encouragement) and didn't need affirmative action, nor deserved it. The same applies for faculty. There should be an objective determination process, and whoever best qualifies gets the job: Period.
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Faith 
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Message 124 of 178 (216146)
06-11-2005 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 11:46 AM


Your comment about conservatives not knowing justice is nothing other than obtuse silliness.
Maybe you're too new here to get more than a warning, but you could get yourself suspended for that kind of remark. But I'm sure glad to see it said. Crashfrog is notable for callow obtuse silliness which he presents as words of wisdom.
Now maybe I'll get suspended again. Carry on. Appreciate your comments.

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CanadianSteve
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From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Message 125 of 178 (216147)
06-11-2005 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
06-11-2005 11:49 AM


Re: Summary response to Schraf
I agree, of course, with just about all you say on tbhis subject. The objectors are taking a stand against a bill of rights. What else needs to be said?

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Chiroptera
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Message 126 of 178 (216150)
06-11-2005 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 12:51 AM


Re: There is nothing about quotas or preferential hiring
quote:
As for last word, I have not responded to a number of posts, including, I believe, some from you.
That comment was unwarranted, and I apologize for it.

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Faith 
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Message 127 of 178 (216151)
06-11-2005 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 11:54 AM


Re: Summary response to Schraf
The objectors are taking a stand against a bill of rights. What else needs to be said?
Exactly. The left that takes such pride in its championing of rights shows its true suppressive colors, but they're too obtuse to recognize the irony.

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Entomologista
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Message 128 of 178 (216160)
06-11-2005 12:47 PM
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06-11-2005 11:46 AM


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Entomologista
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Message 129 of 178 (216161)
06-11-2005 12:49 PM
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06-11-2005 11:53 AM


deleted - wrong login.
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Entomologista
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Message 130 of 178 (216162)
06-11-2005 12:50 PM
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06-11-2005 11:54 AM


deleted - wrong login.
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crashfrog
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Message 131 of 178 (216164)
06-11-2005 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 11:46 AM


Your comment about conservatives not knowing justice is nothing other than obtuse silliness.
Funny - that's not the comment I made. I guess conservatives don't know how to read, either?
Crashfrog is notable for callow obtuse silliness which he presents as words of wisdom.
What do you think you're going to accomplish by hurting my feelings all the time like that, Faith? How very Christian of you.
The objectors are taking a stand against a bill of rights. What else needs to be said?
Oh, name games. How very mature!

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Faith 
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Message 132 of 178 (216168)
06-11-2005 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by crashfrog
06-11-2005 12:56 PM


What do you think you're going to accomplish by hurting my feelings all the time like that, Faith? How very Christian of you.
One would hope it would deter you from the insulting rude and stupid things you say to me for one thing, but I guess that's a futile hope.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 133 of 178 (216169)
06-11-2005 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
06-11-2005 11:49 AM


Re: Summary response to Schraf
Replies, please.
Message #116
Message #117

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 134 of 178 (216172)
06-11-2005 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 11:52 AM


Re: There is nothing about quotas or preferential hiring
quote:
I didn't mean to say that women outnumber men in faculty positions. I meant as students.
Then maybe you should say "students" rather than "faculties".
quote:
And , just as more women get into university ebcause they get better High School marks, so faculty should be determined on merit.
Right, just like women who do the same work as men should get paid the same.
...except thay don't, do they?
quote:
And yet, affirmative action made it easier for my daughters to get into law school and med school than my sons. That was dumb. They had equal opportunity
Did they, though?
If they had been trying to get into law and med school in the 1950's, do you think it would have been just as easy?
Why or why not?
Do you think that the attitudes towards women in higher education have become completely egalitarian in a single generation?
I don't.
quote:
(and a ton of encouragement) and didn't need affirmative action, nor deserved it.
Tell that to all of the Title 9 athletes.
quote:
The same applies for faculty. There should be an objective determination process, and whoever best qualifies gets the job: Period.
I agree.
But women have been shown to be discriminated against in many areas of academia, at almost all levels.
Read a LOT of info about this and related issues, including affermative action here

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1466 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 135 of 178 (216173)
06-11-2005 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
06-11-2005 1:20 PM


One would hope it would deter you from the insulting rude and stupid things you say to me for one thing
By being rude and insulting yourself? How would that work?
I ask again - what's the point of all this? What do you hope to accomplish when you substitute insult for argument?

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