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Author Topic:   Is God determined to allow no proof or evidence of his existence? Part II
General Nazort
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Message 12 of 171 (216245)
06-11-2005 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
06-11-2005 1:12 PM


Re: Faith, I'll continue this discussion here if you choose to respond.
All the above is irrelevant to the simple point I was making. You are simply continuing to insist that it is possible to be saved without CONSCIOUSLY knowing Christ. My objection to this was that it trivializes the beliefs of those who DO know Christ CONSCIOUSLY, trivializes the preaching of the gospel and the exhortations to believe to be saved.
I don't see how being saved without consciously knowing Christ trivializes those who do consciously know him. Those who are "saved" who don't know Christ will quickly come to know him in the afterlife - they will simply not be as far along the path of knowing Christ as those who knew him while they lived on earth.

If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

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General Nazort
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Message 13 of 171 (216246)
06-11-2005 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
06-10-2005 4:50 PM


Re: Faith, I'll continue this discussion here if you choose to respond.
Let's review what is being said here.
Paul says, "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ."
Then Paul asks, "Did they not hear?"
To this Paul then asserts that they did hear the message through the word of Christ.
And how does Paul say that they heard the message through the word of Christ?
Paul quotes Psalm 19:4 as a proof text as follows, "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
In other words, the word of Christ has gone out into all the earth, the words of Christ to the ends of the world -- so there is no excuse for not believing in God just as Paul said before in Romans 1:20
I am pretty sure that this applies only to Israel, to whom God sent many preachers and prophets to give them the "Word of Christ." I am not sure that the natural revelation of "the heavens declare the glory of God" is the same as the "Word of Christ."

If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

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