Hitler, Evolution, and Christianity

It's a well-known fact that the Cathoolic church didn't think so; they were foursquare behind what Hitler was trying to do.But hey, what do they know, right?

In biology, race is an obsolete term referring to subspecies. Since there are no subspecies in Homo sapiens, races do not exist in humanity.

I must object to this, as anyone who has actually read Nietzsche's works would know that the ubermensch is not hereditary, rather, it is something you become.The only Nietzsche that supported anti-semitism was his sister, who distorted his works.Nietzsche would have despised everything the NAZI's stood for. He stopped communicating with his friend Wagner due to Wagner's anti-semitism. In fact, to quote Nietzsche himself, "By the summer of 1876, during the time of the first Festspiele, I said farewell to Wagner in my heart. I suffer no ambiguity; and since Wagner had mover to Germany, he had condescended step by step to everything I despise--even to anti-Semitism." (Nietzsche, 675-676)Sources:Nietzsche, Friedrich. The Portable Nietzsche. New York: Viking, 1954.Edit: Underlining doesn't work.This message has been edited by Cthulhu, 06-11-2005 11:16 PM

I agree. But I do think Hitler used some of Nietzsche's ideas and perverted them, just as he did with Darwinism.And Nietzsche does seem rather aggressive and belligerent at times.

Of the professional historians I have studied so far, most mention the pseudo-Darwinian influence. I haven't found any that mention the Christian influence on Hitler's or Nazism's philosophy.Here's an example, speaking of Hitler's philosophy:"the social Darwinistic view of history as a struggle between individual races with victory going to the strongest, fittest and most ruthless--seems to have occupied its place at the centre of this world-view by 1914-18 at the latest" (21).Ian Kershaw, "Hitler." Longman, 1991.Now I see a lot of websites devoted to proclaiming Hitler's Christianity--by a bunch of amateurs, I suspect.

At the risk of beating a dead horse:What difference does it make what a politician thinks? It's what he does that counts.That's why I keep bringing up the discrepancy between what Hitler wrote (in books that nobody would ever read) and what he said in public, in his speeches. The evidence that we have seen in this thread, so far, is that he used Christianity to sway the masses.Do the professional historians notice any discrepancy?

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It makes a difference if what he thinks is what motivates his actions. What motivated Hitler was his pseudo-Darwinian philosophy (at least partly). I don't think he was motivated by Christian beliefs, primarily. In this thread I agree, but that is not what I'm getting from the historians primarily. They talk about his railing against the Jews but not, most of the time, in a religious sense, but in a racist sense, and also they say he spoke a lot about his social Darwinian ideas. Hitler himself said in Mein Kampf that antisemitism should be racial in nature not religious.But I'm hampered from presenting primary evidence because I haven't been able to get a copy of his speeches yet.

You can find many of his speeches online but it's often difficult to sift through the clutter. here are a few in their entirety.

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Eugenics was straight out of Social Darwinism, and Hitler's ideology was partly based on that, or used that to justify his ideology.NAZIism, in reality, was a religious cult with secret ceremonies and occultic rituals. Unfortunately, that particular aspect is often glossed over in favor of discussing the NAZIs as fascists, but they were significant differences, in say, Franco of Spain and Hitler.The other fascists do not seem to be involved with the occult as rhe NAZIs were.Really, in some respects, NAZIism was a revival of paganistic ancestor and race worship.

randman, Don't faint dead away when I agree with you on something:Good point about the cultic and occultic influences. The rituals (Nuremberg rallies, etc.) probably had as much effect on the masses as the appeal to real religion.

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

Whoah, ....there's a first time for everything I suppose!

A very doubtful claim.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 06-15-2005 04:15 PM

Only to those somewhat ignorant of that area of history.

Hi, I'm ignorant. Could you help me inform myself?

Ok, show us your evidence of the "occult" in Nazism.