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CK
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Message 1 of 291 (219700)
06-26-2005 11:41 AM


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The Co-operative Bank has asked an evangelical Christian group to close its account because of its anti-homosexual views.
The bank said the opinions of Christian Voice were incompatible with its support for diversity.
Christian Voice said the bank, based in Manchester, was discriminating against it on religious grounds.
It is now waiting for other religious groups with similar opinions to be asked to close accounts, it added.
Christian Voice has held an account with the Co-operative Bank for about three years.
BBC NEWS | UK | Co-op bank bars Christian group
In response on their website Christian voice state:
quote:
Stephen Green retorted: Of course we make ‘discriminatory pronouncements on grounds of sexual orientation’. We have been criticising homosexual rights ever since we started eleven years ago. Standing up for righteousness is what we do. http://www.christianvoice.org,uk In fact you could say there are dozens of such pronouncements in my own book The Sexual Dead-End, which was published in 1992. It is a conviction of our Christian faith that homosexual activity is sinful; in fact that it is an abomination in the eyes of God. It is also a conviction of ours that the Lord Jesus shed His precious blood to forgive the sins of all who put their trust in Him, including sexually-active homosexuals. We told the Co-op bank when we switched to them three years ago that we were a voice for Biblical values and that we promote traditional family life. They raised no problem with that at all, and at no time did they tell us about their militant pro-homosexuality. Even today, on their website, they keep that very quiet. Personal banking | Online banking | The Co-operative Bank Only in the staff recruitment section is there any word about ‘diversity’ and the words ‘in all its forms’ or sexual orientation are nowhere to be seen. All the questions on the ethical questionnaire we had to complete were to do with whether we traded in arms or chemicals or had dealings with oppressive regimes. We quite truthfully said we did not, and we reckon the Co-operative Bank is in breach of contract - not that we would want to continue with such a discriminatory outfit.
BBC - Radio 4 - Today Programme Listen Again
(Scroll down to 0750 to listen to a radio interview about this situation)
Should a bank or other private organization refuse service on the basic of religious viewpoints?
My own viewpoint - while I agree with the stance of the Co-Op, I am slightly worried that people's right to free speech should be the basic of discrimination.
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 26-Jun-2005 12:12 PM

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Message 2 of 291 (219707)
06-26-2005 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
06-26-2005 11:41 AM


Your opinion?
Should a bank or other private organization refuse service on the basic of religious viewpoints?
Offhand, I think a brief opinion from you might be nice.
Also, do you have a forum suggestion? Even though it does have religious considerations, it seems "Coffee House" material to me.
Adminnemooseus

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CK
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Message 3 of 291 (219710)
06-26-2005 12:08 PM
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06-26-2005 12:01 PM


Re: Your opinion?
I was thinking Coffee shop as well. I'll edit a response in post 1.

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Message 4 of 291 (219711)
06-26-2005 12:14 PM


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Message 5 of 291 (219713)
06-26-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CK
06-26-2005 11:41 AM


They say in their explanation of their closing of the Christian account that they are open to "all sectors of society" --- EXCEPT the Christian sector. Funny how that goes.
I'm for anybody denying business to anybody for any reason myself. Christians may have to start their own banks.

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Message 6 of 291 (219716)
06-26-2005 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
06-26-2005 12:24 PM


for what reason?
They say in their explanation of their closing of the Christian account that they are open to "all sectors of society" --- EXCEPT the Christian sector. Funny how that goes.
I'm for anybody denying business to anybody for any reason myself. Christians may have to start their own banks.
You are clearly wrong when you state it is a because they are Christians. The stated reason was NOT because they are Christian and many Christian groups would pass the criteria this bank has put forward.
The reason was because they are bigots.
Whether a bank should reject customers based on this is something that I am of two minds about. I think I will watch the discussion unfold a bit and see if anything is posted that will help me make up my mind.
Certainly, if the bank was espousing that kind of hate-based thinking I would not be a customer of it. I'm not sure that I want the selection of customers dealt with based on that kind of thing though. It seems to be to be fraught with peril.

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Message 7 of 291 (219717)
06-26-2005 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by NosyNed
06-26-2005 12:39 PM


Re: for what reason?
BIBLE-believing God-fearing Christians. I don't recognize any other kind of course, but since you do, go ahead and take the name as well as our bank accounts. Steal it all. That's the way the world is going.
I certainly think the bank is unjust. What people believe is nobody's business. But I don't care. I'm a conservative and I'm not for government interference in such matters.

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CK
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Message 8 of 291 (219718)
06-26-2005 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by NosyNed
06-26-2005 12:39 PM


Re: for what reason?
Ned (and anyone else) - it's really worth listening to the radio interview.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...nagain/ram/today3_co-op_20050624.ram
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Message 9 of 291 (219719)
06-26-2005 1:06 PM
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06-26-2005 12:46 PM


Re: for what reason?
BIBLE-believing God-fearing Christians. I don't recognize any other kind of course, but since you do, go ahead and take the name as well as our bank accounts. Steal it all. That's the way the world is going.
Funny; I'm no biblical expert but I was pretty sure that the message of the Christ was one of love and tolerance. It would seem that the bank understands the message of the bible more than these so-called Christians.
Listening to the interview (thanks CK) convinces me that the bank did the right thing.

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Message 10 of 291 (219720)
06-26-2005 1:07 PM
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06-26-2005 12:53 PM


Re: for what reason?
Fascinating radio interview. Just fascinating. I'm foursquare behind Steven Green, but I also see the handwriting on the wall. Persecution of Christians is coming in spades, just as bad as it ever was in the days of the Caesars, and God's judgment is following hard on its heels for exactly the reasons Steve Green gives. I wonder if any eyes will be opened in all this or if the blindness is just going to get worse.

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Message 11 of 291 (219721)
06-26-2005 1:09 PM
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06-26-2005 1:07 PM


Persecute those who persecute
Persecution of Christians is coming in spades, just as bad as it ever was in the days of the Caesars, and God's judgment is following hard on its heels for exactly the reasons Steve Green gives.
Only those "Christians" who wish to promulgate persecution themselves. I'll resist persecution of others who do no harm.

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Message 12 of 291 (219722)
06-26-2005 1:17 PM
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06-26-2005 1:06 PM


Re: for what reason?
The idea of "love and tolerance" that you have is not Christ's love and tolerance. He died for our sins, He never condoned them -- they cost Him His life for our sake. Love and tolerance in a society may certainly mean efforts to keep the society in obedience to the Law of God for exactly the reason Steve Green says - God's wrath will come upon that nation for its abandonment of Him, and this revisionist definition of His love and tolerance is one of the greatest offenses, putting good for evil and evil for good (Isaiah 5:20).
So sad to hear Green refer to the former Christian identity of England, its dependence on the God of Christianity in the world wars -- not that long ago but what an eternity ago ideologically -- and his fear for his nation's now coming under God's judgment.
America is certainly ripe for God's judgment for exactly the same violations of God's Law. I think the WTC blow was just a warning, but nobody's heeding it so something worse will no doubt eventually follow.

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Message 13 of 291 (219723)
06-26-2005 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Faith
06-26-2005 12:24 PM


What makes you think they are not open to Christians? It looks like all they've done is ask bigots to leave.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 14 of 291 (219724)
06-26-2005 1:31 PM
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06-26-2005 1:09 PM


Re: Persecute those who persecute
Only true Bible-believing God-fearing Christians will be persecuted of course, exactly what I meant. For "persecuting" people by calling sin sin. Terrible persecution we do! Warn people about God's wrath so that they might try to save themselves. How evil we are.
It is this sector alone that is now the fair target of discrimination and intolerance. Every other is quite welcome. No reason to persecute the "Christians" who have sold out to the world's agenda against God's Law. The injustice is patent, but we knew it was coming some day. I think it's now at the door.

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Message 15 of 291 (219725)
06-26-2005 1:33 PM
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06-26-2005 1:30 PM


Ned beat you to it. It would help to read the whole thread before responding don't you think? Yes "bigots" are now fair game. All the terminology has been gathered for justification of the lynching. String us up as Nero did and set a match to us to light your garden path.

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