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Faith 
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Message 91 of 291 (219867)
06-26-2005 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by nator
06-26-2005 11:31 PM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
I apologize for calling you stupid.

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bobbins
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Message 92 of 291 (219869)
06-26-2005 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by crashfrog
06-26-2005 11:31 PM


Well as a person who has lived in the UK for nearly 35 years, who has lived in Bradford, Manchester, Plymouth, Wolverhampton and London and someone who has campaigned door-to-door for 3 labour candidates in two of these areas I would consider my experience to be reasonably worthwile as a point of reference, compared with an incomplete, bare statistic. I apologise for getting snotty but my original point may be missed here in suggesting that whilst tolerance is seen in public as acceptable even admirable this is not reflected in their privately held views.

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crashfrog
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Message 93 of 291 (219871)
06-26-2005 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by bobbins
06-26-2005 11:42 PM


I apologise for getting snotty but my original point may be missed here in suggesting that whilst tolerance is seen in public as acceptable even admirable this is not reflected in their privately held views.
Well, you're entitled to your view, but you'll pardon me if I don't find your seat-of-the-pants speculation about the internal lives of Britons to be more compelling than England's most comprehensive national survey of social attitudes.
I mean, what are politicians supposed to do? Read minds? If the public is telling them publically that they're for gay rights, how are politicians supposed to know that, privately, they're not?

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lfen
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Message 94 of 291 (219872)
06-26-2005 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
06-26-2005 9:11 PM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
What is character assassination, personal depreciation, denigration of personality etc. but hatred?
So Christians who claim that they dont't hate homosexuals but only the sin are they lying then? They really do hate homosexuals? Specifically, do you hate homosexuals?
lfen

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Faith 
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Message 95 of 291 (219890)
06-27-2005 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by lfen
06-26-2005 11:53 PM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
You aren't making any sense. No I don't hate homosexuals and I don't attack their character either. I have homosexual friends. What is the matter with you people. Do you just sit around trying to dream up things to accuse Christians of?

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lfen
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Message 96 of 291 (219892)
06-27-2005 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
06-27-2005 1:33 AM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
No I don't hate homosexuals and I don't attack their character either. I have homosexual friends. What is the matter with you people. Do you just sit around trying to dream up things to accuse Christians of?
I wasn't accusing you. I was asking a question. My point is that if Christians can criticize homosexuality as a sin and no be considered to hate the homosexual, why can't you take a criticism as a criticism without claiming it's made because I hate you?
I sit around reading EvC. I mostly dream of dancing. My posts to you are generally the result of reading something you've written. In this thread I'm addressing you as an individual. I think I've mostly done that. I don't know what the matter is with "you people". I've never met any of you in person and I'm not a member of any group here. I consider myself the only person posting to EvC offering a non dual viewpoint at this time.
lfen
lfen

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Faith 
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Message 97 of 291 (219895)
06-27-2005 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by lfen
06-27-2005 1:49 AM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
Saying they "pity" me, they feel like they are in a room with a crazy person etc? This is "criticism?" No, this is personal, this is character assassination. I guess you haven't read the thread. The remark you made was also personal the time I mentioned it and I forget what it was. It wasn't addressed to my views, my opinions, it was about me personally. Sorry I don't remember it. If I find it I'll let you know.
"Criticizing" homosexual acts is identifying a sin (violation of God's Law) according to the Bible, not a personal characteristic a person simply happens to dislike.
I'm sorry, I DO get short-tempered when hit from so many different angles by so many different people. I need a break.

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PaulK
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Message 98 of 291 (219899)
06-27-2005 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
06-27-2005 1:33 AM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
quote:
You aren't making any sense. No I don't hate homosexuals and I don't attack their character either.
Yet it appears that Christian Voice does. You said that you were with them. Are you or aren't you ?

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CK
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Message 99 of 291 (219915)
06-27-2005 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
06-26-2005 7:47 PM


Re: for what reason?
quote:
Let's see, I've got Chas Knight, crash, you, jar, Ned, and who all else here hating my guts for what, for saying that I think the bank has the right to deny business to whomever, and that being a Bible-believing Christian I agree with Steve Green, who is trying to save his nation from God's wrath.
I know you like the cut of your hairshirt but I don't tend to hate random strangers over the internet.. let's stop with the mindreading eh?

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Faith 
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Message 100 of 291 (219918)
06-27-2005 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by CK
06-27-2005 3:39 AM


Re: for what reason?
Oh come on, you know what I mean. You all know what I mean but you like playing games about it, and in fact your answer is just another example of hating me as I'm using the term. Oh well.
See Message 64

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CK
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Message 101 of 291 (219919)
06-27-2005 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by bobbins
06-26-2005 11:26 PM


I'd have to agree with Bobbins - many of the locals would not go down Canal Street (or anal treat to give it's nickname) because they are fearful that "something" will happen to them.
I think this is great.. It means that I can drink with the missus and friends in nice bars without drunk knuckleheads spoiling the fun.

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CK
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Message 102 of 291 (219922)
06-27-2005 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
06-27-2005 3:48 AM


Re: for what reason?
Think about what you are actually saying - That I and others here hate some random stranger that we've never met or interacted with in the real world. I can't think of any people I know (in the real world) that I hate, so it baffles me why you'd think I'd expend energy in such a way.
It seems to me that you seem to have a very distorted few of your importance to others here and indeed the general importance of this board in our lifes. I don't know about the others but for me this is a nice distraction from writing papers etc.
I really do suggest you take a few days away from the board and re-assess the situation - you seem to have this all out of wack.

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Jaaaman
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Message 103 of 291 (219927)
06-27-2005 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by lfen
06-26-2005 11:53 PM


Re: Yet more misrepresentation.
So Christians who claim that they dont't hate homosexuals but only the sin are they lying then? They really do hate homosexuals? Specifically, do you hate homosexuals?
As a Christian I do not hate homosexuals, but I do hate homosexuality as I see it as a sin (hate the sin, but not the sinner).

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Dead Parrot
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From: Wellington, NZ
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Message 104 of 291 (219929)
06-27-2005 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
06-27-2005 3:48 AM


Re: for what reason?
Oh come on, you know what I mean. You all know what I mean
Yes we do. It's fine to discriminate against gays, because you're not one. But it's not OK to discriminate against Conservative Christians, because you are one.
I await a clarification in case I'm wrong.

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Faith 
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Message 105 of 291 (219940)
06-27-2005 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by CK
06-27-2005 3:56 AM


Re: for what reason?
Sigh.

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