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Author Topic:   Which Bible is Inerrant?
deerbreh
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Message 18 of 86 (218745)
06-22-2005 5:24 PM


Inerrancy means "without error" - The Bible clearly is not.
Cases in point - There are many, I will cite just 2.
1) Elijah making the sun stand still - first of all, this implies geocentrism which we know is false, second, for the earth's rotation to stop - clearly all hell breaks loose and most life would have been wiped out.
2) Pi equals 3, according to I Kings:
7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
(Some apologists say that it was hexagonal and that then the circumference /diameter ratio works out to 3 - I don't know whether that is true but the verse clearly says it was "round all about" and in my book round is round, not hexagonal).
I actually don't understand why the Bible has to be inerrant. Much of it clearly is myth in the "epic myth" sense - a story that is not literally true but reveals a Truth. To me it is almost blasphemus to suggest literal truth. Furthermore, who is to say which of the ancient texts is "scripture" and which is not? Do we really think the early church was free of political maneuvering when it came to deciding what was "in" and what was "out"? Did Paul intend for his letters to be scripture? I seriously doubt it and think he would have been appalled at the thought.
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deerbreh
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Message 23 of 86 (219017)
06-23-2005 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Brian
06-23-2005 11:41 AM


Re: Innerrent in meaning: A Leap Of Faith
Brian writes:
But why even bother taking this leap of faith, what is the point?
One takes the "leap of faith" because there are mysteries for which we have no explanation. One just goes on, trusting that they are doing the right thing, even though we can't possibly figure everything out. This is particularly true about our relationships with other people. That's the "leap".
brian writes:
Back on topic, which particular Bible should we use as a basis of our leap?
Which Bible we use - or whether we use any Bible or some other book or source of revelation, is going to depend on the person. Hopefully we use lots of different sources, including nature and most importantly, other people. A hermit may read a lot of books and commune with nature but he won't learn much about how to get along with people until he takes the "leap" and makes the attempt.
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deerbreh
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Message 24 of 86 (219471)
06-25-2005 12:31 AM
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06-23-2005 11:18 AM


Re: Innerrent in meaning: A Leap Of Faith
"Human wisdom is actually a tool of the enemy. (I know that this does not sit well with most of you)"
Blasphemy. If you believe God created man and his creation is good, how do you get to that viewpoint? Human wisdom comes from God. What kind of God creates man with a wonderful brain capable of rational thought and then punishes him for using it? A cynical God.

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Message 44 of 86 (220656)
06-29-2005 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by d_yankee
06-25-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Elijah?
d_yankee said,
"First of all it was Joshua, not Elijah. LOL!!!
That shows you are not to knowledgeable of the Bible so you are actually talking ignorantly."
It shows I am a forgetful person. How does the fact that I confused Elijah and Joshua take away from the problem of making the "sun stand still" in relation to biblical inerrancy? Hmm?

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Message 46 of 86 (220785)
06-29-2005 5:42 PM
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06-29-2005 3:31 PM


Re: Elijah?
Yeah, I had forgotten that one. The old sun dial trick. Well, that one at least could be explained by too much strong drink.

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deerbreh
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Message 52 of 86 (220817)
06-29-2005 9:19 PM
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06-29-2005 9:04 PM


Re: Elijah?
Nice try but you still haven't explained how the earth could stop rotating ("sun could stand still") without destroying most of the life on earth.

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deerbreh
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Message 53 of 86 (220818)
06-29-2005 9:22 PM
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06-29-2005 9:07 PM


Re: Elijah?
Once again you are using theatrics to avoid addressing the point - which in this case is how could the earth not only stand still but reverse rotational direction and not destroy most life on earth?

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Message 63 of 86 (221033)
06-30-2005 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by d_yankee
06-30-2005 9:17 PM


Re: Elijah?
How do you know God did it? How do you know somebody wasn't just embellishing a good story to make a better story and make Joshua look like a hero? How do you know stuff didn't get written down and then the writer just claimed it came from God? How do you know somebody didn't write something down just to make a good story and somebody later on claimed it came from God? How do you know what is "scripture" (inspired by God) and what is not? Do you think people didn't have big arguments over what "belonged" as scripture and what was just an inspirational story but not scripture? Is the fact that it is all in one book that says "Holy Bible" on the front good enough for you and if so - why? What about the apocrophyl books? Are they scripture? If not, why not?
On edit: Just to show you these are serious questions, go here and see
for yourself.
http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canon2.stm
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deerbreh
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Message 65 of 86 (221045)
07-01-2005 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by d_yankee
07-01-2005 12:04 AM


Re: Elijah?
d_yankee says
"It was a part of there history just like we Americans have ours and we record it...they did the same."
OK let's go with that. Why don't all of the other ancient histories agree with the Hebrew histories? For example Egyptian history does not mention the Hebrew slaves. Seems like a pretty big omission.
You still haven't answered the question of how we decide what is in the canon and what is not. I use canon since it appears that you don't use the word "scripture" the same way I do, though I think you know what I meant.

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