Very well. The YEC literature I think I saw shyly suggested 8 children per family as an arguement.
Doesn't that seem awfully paltry for so many years and such strength of body? I don't get why Noah only had three sons in his 900 years myself.
Interesting that you note cat DNA as also devolving and correlating somewhat to that of human beings.
Cats and other animals get cancer and all kinds of diseases, but those things are the result of sin and yet we don't think of animals as capable of sin, so it seems to me it must be explained in terms of the creation's having been cursed for our sake somehow.
Not only does Charles have a chance, he has a better chance than 99.999999999% of all Christians. And a heaven without the CK and Froggie would be a far diminished shadow of perfection.
But back towards the topic.
How does a figurative GOE and Adam and Steve diminish the Christian message? Does anyone actually believe the description of creation as found in Genesis 2?
18: And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20: And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
"Hey Adam, try the sheep on for size."
"Well, GOD, at least they don't scratch like that Bengal Tiger but somehow it still doesn't feel right. And she's great at mowing the grass but I can't get her to fix dinner or darn my socks."
Can anyone believe GOD created elephants and dinosaurs and Lions and Tigers and Bears and OhMys as a help meet?
I was merely speculating that Gen 11 scripture might perhaps hit on chronological highlights in order to usher in the relatively important scriptures concerning Abraham and his dispensation. Matthew’s gospel highlights 3x14 generations of chronology (from Abraham, Davidic Kings, and Jewish captivity) that seems (to me) to majestically usher ‘JESUS’ in as the seed-royal King and Savior.
Pertinent and varying generations are stressed
Some women, like Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Leah, Hannah (etc.) seemed to be predestined by God to have just one “man-child” or 2, for various “key scriptural” reasons no doubt.
But, I concur that the pre-patriarchs were “multiplying the face of the earth” (Adam, Seth, through Methuselah and Lamech) and their wives had many sons and daughters, according to scriptures: 1) Gen 5-6 states each “begat sons and daughters” … about 9-10 times (before the flood-judgment) 2) Gen 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It seems perhaps that nothing at all hindered childbearing back then. That is, I perceive families might have been consistently large for these 9 generations.
Yes, so we seem to agree on these things. Do you have an argument in support of reading Genesis 1-11 literally or Jonah? I've given two, basically the argument from many authorities starting with Jesus, and the argument that a literal reading is necessary to the overall consistency of the Biblical message. Are there others?
Why couldn't the Fall have only ushered in the death of the soul rather than physical death? Maybe physical death has been around all along. I say this because Adam didn't physically die the day he ate the fruit.
The Hebrew word for "day" can also be used to mean "age". Thus, In the age that you eat of it, you will die. Prior to the "Fall, there was an age of innocence. After the Fall, the Age of conscience was born. Later, Jesus broke it all down to two commandments. 1) Love God 2) Love your neighbor. By doing these two things, many less people would die in the age that we live in. America was not deemed to be wealthy in order to be selfish. If we had spent 80 billion dollars (twice) on humanitarian world needs rather than Iraq, we would be in a safer place.
People don't have sex in heaven? Can you point me towards the chapter in the bible that states this? I've had a quick look and can't find it.
The basic idea about Heaven is that God Himself is the focus of attention and adoration rather than that hott angel with the little curve. Sex will be transcended in Heaven as everyone will be in such a state as to be feeling good enough without it. Additionally, it will serve no needed function. does that make any sense, Charles? Of course we are speaking hypothetically since neither of us has as yet been to heaven. :)
Hi Faith (et al), Just sticking my nose in to mention Sceaf, supposedly Noah's fourth son: According to the Qur'an, he was born before the flood and refused to go onboard; whilst in Norse/Saxon folklore he was born onboard and various nobles have claimed descent from him.
I stubled accross this factoid by chance, so if anyone wants to follow it up you're on your own... :)
So according to the Quran he just died in the Flood, or if not, how did he survive it? Did they tie him up and carry him on board, or did he get translated to paradise to wait out the Flood with 72 virgins or what?