Karl Rove: Traitor?

Nothing "sorta" about this. Revealing the identity of a secret government agent is an act of treason. That it was done for nothing more than political retribution is astoundingly offensive.I want Karl Rove out of the government. He makes 150,000 a year of my money to engage in this kind of filthy, corrupt behavior? I want him gone. He's unelected and obviously considers himself unaccountable.Is there any defense for the man? I'd like to see someone try.

Well, if the CIA had not wanted her to remain secret, then they would have outed her themselves.I mean, what does the CIA have to do to demonstrate that they want a certain operative to be secret besides not reveal the secret?

Yeah, what a surprise that Novak would say exactly what he needed to say in order to cover his ass. I doubt his "confidential source" even exists.If Plame hadn't been a covert operative, the CIA wouldn't have sent the case over to the Justice Department in the first place. Why would they have reccomended a Justice Dept. investigation if they didn't think a crime had taken place?

If you ask Rove, yeah, but who on Earth would pay attention to him at this point?

Uh-huh. And when they ask him exactly what media source told him, he said that he "couldn't remember."I don't see any reason to conclude that he's not lying to save his ass, especially since he can't remember what media source told him, and we know he told Cooper long before any story appeared in print. According to the CIA, she was.

Sorry to burst your bubble but all those stories turned out to be true - verified by the US Government.Guess you didn't hear? Bush's greatest defense is his down-home charm. A lot of folks don't want to believe that he's capable of mendacious deeds.That charm doesn't apply to Rove. Rove's guilty as hell and he's going down. The latest approval polls show that he's taking Bush with him, among everybody except (of course) Republicans who refuse to admit any flaw in the Bush presidency.

Not yet. Didn't you read the indictment? Or listen to Fitz's speech? He literally said that Libby's obstruction has prevented the proper investigation of the situation within the time period of that specific grand jury.Well, hence the indictment of Libby; hence Fitz getting time with another grand jury. You don't think that Libby is going to choose jail time over rolling on Cheney and Rove, do you? He's got a wife and kid. Do you really think his loyalty to his job and former employers extends as far as 30 years in prison? Valerie Plame, who, at the time, was an employee not of the Directorate of Intelligence - the non-covert branch - but the Directorate of Operations.You know, the secret one. The one who's employees are classified operatives. (Hence the name.) The Deparrtment of Justice's own investigation. No. The report was retracted because the source wasn't confident in what he had read.But it turned out that the source was correct; Newsweek was right to retract their story, but they did not retract it because it turned out to be false. They retracted because they couldn't be sure it was true. As it turned out, they were right the first time. It was all over the front page. Where the hell were you? Nobdy ever said he had been. But let's be absolutely clear. He did not meet his service obligations. He signed an affidavit pledging to report to a NatGuard outfit in Mass., and he never did. He had an obligation that he did not meet, and it was only the fact that his father was a Congressman and a war hero that prevented negative consequences in that regard.Now, as for the memos, four things are true:1) The memos were never proven to be forgeries.
2) Nobody was ever proven to have forged them.
3) The information they contained was verified by third parties who would know - Bush's commanders and their secretaries.
4) Even without the disputed memos, there was more than enough evidence to prove that Bush did not meet his obligations. Surgeon, heal thyself. You haven't posted a single fact that turned out to be true in any thread where you've tried to defend Bush or attack his opposition. Wrong again. Al Gore served in the Army from August 1969 to May 1971. Do a little homework next time. Took me all of 2 seconds to look that up. When Clinton lied, some semen dried. When the Bush administration lied, people died. But, hey, we all have our own ethical calculus. Good to know that you consider adultery worse than murder.

Which confirms exactly what I just told you.

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In the apology, Whitaker said that its lone source for a story accusing U.S. interrogators of flushing the Koran (search) down the toilet to rattle a detainee later said he could not recall where information about the alleged incident came from.

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Not because the story was wrong or false, but because the source couldn't be certain.Now, here's the US government's own investigation of the subject:

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The U.S. military for the first time on Friday detailed how jailers at Guantanamo mishandled the Koran, including a case in which a guard's urine splashed through a vent onto the Islamic holy book and others in which it was kicked, stepped on and soaked in water.

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Hood said there were four additional incidents of "alleged mishandling" of the Koran that "we cannot determine conclusively if they actually happened." These involved prisoners' complaints that jailers kicked and put a foot on the Koran, threw it into a bag of wet towels, and told a detainee the book "belonged in the toilet."

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No webpage found at provided URL: http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-6-3/29288.htmlSorry, shouldn't have said "Department of Justice." I was remembering this from May, after all, and I got the government agency wrong. My apologies.At any rate, other organizations like the ACLU and the Red Cross have independantly collected similar accusations of Koran mishandling and flushing, and indeed, a lawsuit is progressing against the US government and top officials for acts of Koran flushing and desicration. Moreover there's over 20 independant, seperate reports by former detainees of these institutions of Koran flushing. And keep in mind that these people were released by the government.So one of two things is true. These could be the fabrications of persons following explicit instructions in the al-Queda manual to invent this kind of thing. But then that means that the government is releasing members of al-Queda. Do you really think they're doing that? The only reasonable alternative is that these statements by these former detainees are credible, and that they really happened.And, of course, there's all those reports of detainees supposedly defacing their own Korans, though rarely is any motivation for them to do so given. Supposedly, we're supposed to believe that literally every single proven instance of Koran flushing occured when a detainee, for no explainable reason, flushed their own Koran, and then decided to lie about it.Uh-huh. Well, I'm sure that's enough to convince you, Tal - you'll believe anything the government tells you.

Did you think that we were idiots who forgot what Bush campaigned on in 2000?Well, I didn't forget, because I voted for him based on his campaign promises. An end to destructive, imperialist "nation-building." Individual freedoms and liberty. A restoration of dignity to the White House.Instead, we got the Iraq quagmire, USA PATRIOT and anti-gay amendments, and a President who says "nukular" and chokes on pretzels.Bush has been remarkably dishonest about his intentions; he's shown a remarkable ability to flip-flop on the issues. One day it's a committment to reduce fossil fuel dependancy and expand alternative energy sources; the next day its "I was only speaking metaphorically" about the reduction and he's laying off half of the alternative energy research staff. Which reports were leaked? We absolutely do know that her name was classified, according to the most recent reports from the CIA. There's no longer any question.

Nice try, but you should really know better than to say things like this without checking them first.The truth is quite the reverse. A sizeable majoirty now question Bush's honesty, and that number is growing. A poll taken in November found that 40% found him honest and trustworthy; a decline of 18% from a poll taken 18 months prior.Bush is a liar. That's incontrovertable:

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Anytime you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so.

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