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More like a genetic disease I would guess if genes have anything to do with it at all, which they may not. Not as persons, but as qualified for certain functions, of course. No, a psychological aberration is in a different category from a physical problem.{EDIT: Correction, of course they are unequal. Again, not as persons but with respect to functions that require hearing or seeing.This message has been edited by Faith, 07-04-2005 09:43 PM

Really? Cuz silly me, I thought all men were created equal. But I guess you know better than the Founding Fathers, don't you?Look, there's really no point in any of us arguing with Faith. It's clear that the American principles of equality under the law or fairness carry absolutely no weight with her. It's disgusting, and I don't understand why she would live in a country so diametrically opposed to her view of the world, but what can you do? Appeals to goodness, or equality, or American principle will find no purchase with her.

Like, say, parenting?

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It's a matter of definitions and principles as I said, not actualities, which are always messy.

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OK, well, what is your definition of what a "natural" heterosexual family with children looks like?At what point does it become "unatural?"

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More like a genetic disease I would guess if genes have anything to do with it at all, which they may not.

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So, people you consider, due to your religious beliefs, are genetically inferior shouldn't be afforded the same Constitutional rights as Americans without this genetic variation?The Final Solution is just a hop, skip, and jump away from this kind of thinking, eh, Faith.

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Not as persons, but as qualified for certain functions, of course.

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So, do you believe that people with genetic abberations" deserve equal constitutional rights or not?

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No, a psychological aberration is in a different category from a physical problem.

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So, should people prone to severe panic attacks and anxiety be considered unequal to those who do are not because of their condition?

Marriage is not a constitutional right, it is an ages-old intitution that transcends all political systems and has application only to heterosexuals. You are trying to put a square peg in a round hole and insisting that it has a right to fit there.

How does it demean marriage?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

How does it demean marriage?

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A natural heterosexual family with children has a male and female parent with heterosexual inclinations and children from their own heterosexual union. That's natural. Everything else is a deviation of one sort or another, some of them nobody's fault, but nevertheless not optimum, but the worst situation is one that pretends to a normality that doesn't exist. Children want their natural parents and while they can adapt to all kinds of less optimum situations they'd rather not have to, and at the very least they shouldn't be fooled into having to believe something is optimum that isn't. That's deceit.This message has been edited by Faith, 07-04-2005 09:52 PM

Now that makes no sense at all.Do you approve of denying health care to people because they are gay?

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Apples and oranges. Gays are human beings to be treated as human beings. But only heterosexuals qualify for marriage.

Why?Do you approve of denying health care to gays?

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Marriage is not a constitutional right,

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According to the US Supreme Court, it is:

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it is an ages-old intitution that transcends all political systems

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Agreed.

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and has application only to heterosexuals.

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No, it clearly has application to everyone, not just heterosexuals.Clearly, it has rather obvious application to homosexuals because many thousands of them are living as married couples do now, except that they are denied the rights that heteros are granted by the state.The state is secular. Your church doesn't have to marry anyone it doesn't want to. Keep your religion out of secular governmental business. Let people who do not believe in your religion be treated equally under the law as everyone else inastead of denying them equal rights.

With respect to qualifying for a function that requires steady nerves, absolutely.

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A natural heterosexual family with children has a male and female parent with heterosexual inclinations and children from their own heterosexual union. That's natural. Everything else is a deviation of one sort or another, some of them nobody's fault, but nevertheless not optimum, but the worst situation is one that pretends to a normality that doesn't exist.

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So, can you tell me when in history that it was common that a husband and wife alone raised their children?