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Author Topic:   Karl Rove: Traitor?
jar
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Message 6 of 271 (221683)
07-04-2005 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Silent H
07-03-2005 9:44 AM


Let's go back a decade or two.
Karl Rove in 1994.
Approaching election day and democratic voters start getting calls from pollsters asking questions like "Would you be more or less likely to vote for Anne Richards if you knew her administration is dominated by lesbians?"
Or 1973 and his tactics to take over the College Republican organization (where he first came under the tutelage of George Bush Sr).
The later is interesting because it revolved around the question of who leaked a document.
The underlying message though is that Karl Rove, like Newt Gingrich, is concentrated on returning power to a McKinley like era. He has used just about any tactics imaginable and has always concentrated on using peoples worst traits to his advantage.
Regardless of the outcome of the Wilson/Plame incident, Karl Rove is still a power to be reckoned with and has trained a whole cadre of people to follow his example even if he should be removed from the picture.

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Message 8 of 271 (221804)
07-04-2005 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by berberry
07-04-2005 11:29 PM


Re: This story is growing legs
Wasn't there a Bush who held some position in the CIA?

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jar
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Message 10 of 271 (221815)
07-05-2005 1:17 AM
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07-05-2005 1:00 AM


Re: This story is growing legs
And if I understand this mess, it's about someone from a Bush Administration outing a CIA agent because her husband published an article that questioned the Bush Administration's use of Intellegence data?

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jar
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Message 13 of 271 (222132)
07-06-2005 11:00 AM
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07-06-2005 10:53 AM


Re: This story is growing legs
Since you responded to me, I'd say hero. It's a shame there wasn't a 'DeepThroat' that spoke up early enough to get Reagan impeached.

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jar
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Message 17 of 271 (222139)
07-06-2005 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tal
07-06-2005 11:06 AM


Re: This story is growing legs
Tal writes:
No from what I got out of it, someone on the inside was disclosing the identity on an undercover agent to a reporter and the reporter was refusing to reveal the person who was giving this information
I don't quite understand what your comment has to do with anything I wrote.
But if Karl Rove was the person who outed the CIA agent I think at a minimum he should be charged with conspiricy to commit murder.
Perhaps if he's facing a needle in the arm he will explain who gave him the go ahead.

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Message 21 of 271 (222155)
07-06-2005 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tal
07-06-2005 12:27 PM


Re: This story is growing legs
There are actually several issues in the Palme affair. Let's step through them.
First, someone leaked information to one or more reporters that identified a CIA agent.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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jar
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Message 23 of 271 (222163)
07-06-2005 12:53 PM
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07-06-2005 12:48 PM


Re: This story is growing legs
Leaking the name of a CIA operative is likely to place that persons life in jeopardy.

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jar
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Message 26 of 271 (222170)
07-06-2005 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tal
07-06-2005 1:02 PM


Gotta stop for a moment and seek clarification.
Get to the part where you think Rove is involved and why?
Where have I said Rove was the source?
What I have said is that if Rove was the source he should be tried for conspiricy to commit murder.
Do you agree with that statement?

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jar
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Message 33 of 271 (223228)
07-11-2005 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by berberry
07-11-2005 5:47 PM


Re: Mainstream Media Finally Confronts the White House
The time has come to ask:
  • what did the President know?
  • when did he know it?
  • was there a conspiricy to cover up the crime?
  • were high level Administration officials involved in a coverup?
In case you miss the conection, the items listed above were not not related to the Plame affair but rather to some other break-in by low level members of CREEP.

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jar
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Message 44 of 271 (223352)
07-12-2005 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Monk
07-12-2005 9:14 AM


Re: ...but the legs seem a little stubby
And the Watergate break in was a minor B&E by low level folk done without the foreknowledge of the President.
If the President knew the source of the leak and covered it up, should he be impeached?

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jar
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Message 51 of 271 (223401)
07-12-2005 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Monk
07-12-2005 12:14 PM


Re: ...but the legs seem a little stubby
Actually, it was not the slush funds or other such activities that created the problem. The issue was "Conspiricy to coverup" the activities.
The same was true with the Clinton Administration. The issue was not the acts themselves, it was the attempt to coverup those activities.

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jar
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Message 57 of 271 (223420)
07-12-2005 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Monk
07-12-2005 1:56 PM


Re: ...but the legs seem a little stubby
So is it reasonable to ask:
"What did the Prsident know and when did he know it?"

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jar
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Message 59 of 271 (223432)
07-12-2005 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Monk
07-12-2005 2:13 PM


Re: ...but the legs seem a little stubby
Does it matter who released the information?
If the President knew who released the information and did not turn that information over to a prosecutorial authority, was there a coverup?

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jar
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Message 78 of 271 (223627)
07-13-2005 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Silent H
07-13-2005 4:28 PM


One thing you forgot to mention
It was Ambassador April Glaspie who gave Saddam the go ahead to invade Kuwait and then left Wilson to deal with the consequences.

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jar
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Message 80 of 271 (223633)
07-13-2005 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Monk
07-13-2005 5:00 PM


Re: One thing you forgot to mention
On what, the career of April Glaspie? If you aren't aware of her you certainly should be. Try following her postings and you'll get a tour of US troubles. LOL
Look up the available transcripts (there are several, with slight differences between them) and the US State Department has not taken a position so far on their accuracy, specifically they have not denied their general authenticity.
The first was published in the Times IIRC around Fall of 1993. The conversation took place in 1990 during the period when Saddam was massing troups on the border with Kuwait.
There are several key things.
  • the US at the time was supporting Saddam.
  • She asked why Iraq was massing troops on the border with Kuwait (duh, Saddam had already claimed Kuwait was part of Iraq).
  • Ambassador Glaspie told Saddam that the "US had no interest in Inter-Arab disputes."

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