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Topic: Balancing Faith and Science
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 11 of 137 (222003)
07-05-2005 8:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by GDR 07-05-2005 7:32 PM
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leaping into the abyss
I am not suggesting at all that it isn’t necessary to make a leap of faith to become a Christian but I do contend, and so does Francis Collins, that the leap is a rational one. Faith is not rational by definition. Evidence of things not seen and all that.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: leaping into the abyss
Nobody really knows if there is a God or not. I do, no evidence, no proof. God does not exist.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 60 of 137 (222304)
07-07-2005 7:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by GDR 07-06-2005 3:19 PM
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Theology
After that the rest is theology and nobody will get 100% on God's theology exam. How about jesus, or did he get to skip the test?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 63 of 137 (222319)
07-07-2005 8:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 61 by nator 07-07-2005 7:54 AM
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Re: leaping into the abyss
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It is more accurate and rational to say that you don't know. So it's more rational to say that invisible beings exist?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 64 of 137 (222320)
07-07-2005 9:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 61 by nator 07-07-2005 7:54 AM
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Re: leaping into the abyss
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So because we don't have a motive or a murder weapon we should convict Mr. Brown? Just because we don't have evidence does not mean he's not guilty.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 80 of 137 (222405)
07-07-2005 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by nator 07-07-2005 4:54 PM
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no evidence
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So you require evidence there is no bigfoot, ufos or orgonians? This message has been edited by DHA, 07-07-2005 05:23 PM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: Science and Faith in Harmony
I filled in the gap in knowledge with my own personal subjective feelings and interpretations of those feelings to make a rational decision about the world we live in. That decision includes the existance of a god. Once again personal experience parading as truth.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: no evidence
You cannot know that orgonians don't exist just because there is no evidence of them. You can assume that they don't for all practical purposes, but you can't know that they don't. Yes I can, what I know is not your opinion.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Trying for calm
I'm not claiming my position is truth, I claiming its rational. Okay, (stops, takes deep breath) give me the rational reasons to believe.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 94 of 137 (222462)
07-07-2005 8:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by nator 07-07-2005 8:10 PM
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Re: no evidence
It is impossible to prove a negative. Sure it is, ever hear of not guilty verdicts.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Re: no evidence
A legal verdict is not the same as logical proof. It isn't even the same as legal proof. A court case can have no proof, but still a verdict. What is meant by "it is impossible to prove a negative" is that it is logically impossible to prove absolutely that something does not exist or is not the case. So then is it impossible to prove a positive?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2929 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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verdict
A legal verdict is not the same as logical proof. It isn't even the same as legal proof. A court case can have no proof, but still a verdict. A legal verdict is a finding of fact.
What is meant by "it is impossible to prove a negative" is that it is logically impossible to prove absolutely that something does not exist or is not the case. one can never be sure there are no ghosts under the bed.
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