Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,385 Year: 3,642/9,624 Month: 513/974 Week: 126/276 Day: 23/31 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Speed of Light Barrier
Chiroptera
Inactive Member


Message 3 of 178 (222963)
07-10-2005 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JustinC
07-10-2005 1:15 PM


It is true that mass doesn't increase except from the point of view of a second observor. But then, you aren't moving at all except relative to another observor. As far as you are concerned, you are always remaining motionless.
The formula that you have at the end of your post (I am assuming that it is correct -- I'm too lazy to look it up and verify it) is correct. Suppose that I am observing you move at a velocity equal to v1. Now in your reference frame, you are motionless. Then you speed up to a velocity of v2. That means relative to your initial reference frame, your velocity is now v2; however I watch you accelerate to a velocity of u, given by the equation.
How does this work? I am watching you accelerate. Let us say that you are in a vessel ejecting mass from a rocket; this is increasing your momentum by some amount, perhaps by a large amount. However, to get your velocity I must divide your momentum by your mass -- since your momentum increases a lot but your velocity doesn't increase by very much (after all there is no limit to how much momentum you can have, but your velocity is constrained by the speed of light) that must mean that your mass has increased by a large amount.
However, this increase in mass is just what I, in my reference frame, is measuring. To an observer in another reference frame, you will have a different mass. You, of course, being motionless in your own reference frame, see no change in your own mass.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by JustinC, posted 07-10-2005 1:15 PM JustinC has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 9 by cavediver, posted 07-11-2005 8:50 AM Chiroptera has replied

  
Chiroptera
Inactive Member


Message 10 of 178 (223108)
07-11-2005 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by cavediver
07-11-2005 8:50 AM


Yeah, I like to draw a line segment on a plane, then draw two different x- and y-axes, and explain how the same segment can have different "x-lengths" and "y-lengths.
Then, it it appears that people may understand this, I mentions stuff about rotating coordinate axes through imaginary angles.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by cavediver, posted 07-11-2005 8:50 AM cavediver has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 11 by cavediver, posted 07-11-2005 10:27 AM Chiroptera has not replied

  
Chiroptera
Inactive Member


Message 24 of 178 (223975)
07-15-2005 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by cavediver
07-15-2005 4:58 PM


I think that I read somewhere that under a constant acceleration of 1 g (so that you can experience earth-like gravity), you can go just about anywhere in the visible universe in about 30 or 40 years. I've never did the calculations to verify this, though.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 23 by cavediver, posted 07-15-2005 4:58 PM cavediver has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 29 by cavediver, posted 07-16-2005 9:02 AM Chiroptera has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024