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Message 40 of 183 (224217)
07-17-2005 1:17 PM
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07-17-2005 8:33 AM


Re: my 95lb friend
she's 5'2" hon. shorter than me.

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Message 41 of 183 (224220)
07-17-2005 1:34 PM
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07-16-2005 8:06 AM


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Lots of girls and women with eating disorders like anorexia and buimia report wanting to look like models. A significant percentage of girls as young as 6 years old think they are too fat and are on self-imposed diets.
5-10 million women and girls struggle with eating disorders in the US.
anorexia and bulimia are psychological disorders which are generally resulting from a desire to control life and changes. while they probably also want to look pretty (who doesn't want to be attractive?) it is a reflection more of 'my life is out of control, but i can control my body.' it's not so much a diet gone wrong as something so much more complicated. the media has oversimplified the matter, but if you watch all the godawful lifetime-style biographies (which have managed to be fairly truthful with family histories) these women (like pena's wife) are seeking to control something -anything- in their lives, not fawning over kate moss.
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She had a problem with drugs and she chain smoked for sure. I also read an interview with her in which she characterized eating as "boring". I find that comment suspicious.
i characterize eating as boring. i'm 5'3" and weigh 150lbs. i find your attempt at a diagnosis stupid. that characterization was probably some kind of misquote... that's the media for you. i find it amusing how people denegrate the media for its images but don't do the same for its 'information' which they later quote to serve their purposes. eating is boring. everything tastes the same and half the food out there is italian and there's nothing new and not enough vegetables and it's all too expensive. food is very boring.
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No. I do know someone who was very thin (but not 5'10" and 95 pounds like Moss) and her doctor did advise her to eat things like ice cream and cheese and other calorie dense food because she was underweight and it was not healthy. I don't think Moss was healthy.
any doctor who would advise the eating of unhealthy foods just to 'fatten someone up' is not practicing properly. perhaps your friend isn't eating often enough or in large enough portions, but packing her with fatty dairy products is silly. (note: i like dairy and i'm not one of those weird omg not cow milk people.)
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I think that the media, particularly fashion, should allow a greater representation of body types.
the media is not an information source. it's an entertainment entity. if people wanted to see ordinary people, then the media would show it. but people don't want ordinary. if they did, they could walk outside. the tv is a fantasy box. its characters are fantastic and so is everything else on it. people want to buy fantasy and sensation precisely because it's NOT ordinary. and the media (being a capitalist venture) sells people what they want to buy. it is when people forget that it's fantasy that you have a problem. but that's not their problem. rather, the naivete of the blinded consumer is like unto the blinded faith of sheep following anything. and i believe you have been vocal about people abandoing such practices before.
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except that, and you'll have to take my word for this as a male, big boobs are out. the trend right now is actual smaller and average breasts. it's been well known for years that women do not get breast implants for men, they get them for themselves. it's generally a self-esteem or self-confidence thing.
no. take my word as a large breasted woman. i was not always chunky (and even now i'm reasonably 'hot'... i get looks. whatever) but that's it. i get looks. i don't get talked to, guys aren't interested in me. people treat girls with large breasts like they are freaks and whores. little boobs are way in. just go into a store and try to find a bra made by a well-known name in any size larger than c. (btw. c is not large. omg no.) the preference is for well proportioned bodies (even larger ones) with smaller breasts that look like individual breasts. i can't tell you how many guys have told me they prefer them smaller.
oh yes and arach and my friend and her tininess. she's now dropped back out of triple digits but her hips changed shape (the bones actually moved, we picked on her and told her she finally hit puberty). but she still eats like mad. all the focus on the media and its 'negative' portrayal of women has given people an excuse to ignore the fact that fat isn't healthy. yeah sure a little rounded is fine and dandy but just being plain fat, doing nothing about it and saying oh blah blah blah those women are just anorexic and not normal and they airbrush them and bitch piss moan i wanna be a jedi master. if you wanna fix feeling bad about yourself, get off your lazy bum and make yourself different. don't starve yourself, move your butt. screw what you think people think. i have a friend who is probably just under being characterized as obese. she did martial arts (and was on her way to the olympics) until her ankles gave out. she ate healthily and exercised all the time and was still big. she felt great about herself. and it showed. she always looked amazing and she taught me that image is a projection. body image is something you create in your head. the rare occasions where poor body image reflects specific abuse is more related to parental abuse than popular culture. if parents tell children that they have to be pretty to be loved, that's not the fault of the media, but of shitty parenting. if you think that you are worthless because of your body then that is something that you did and not something that someone drove into you. i'm not terribly fond of my figure, but i know that i need to start exercising again. i don't hate myself because i've gotten lazy, i just think i'm a bit lazy. i am still a sensual and worthwhile person and i use my body to the best extent i can.
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Message 53 of 183 (224281)
07-17-2005 6:07 PM
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07-17-2005 5:35 PM


gimme a little while to get a better job then i'm game. on that note, paul bought a polish cookbook so i might get daring.

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Message 54 of 183 (224282)
07-17-2005 6:07 PM
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07-17-2005 5:23 PM


Re: my 95lb friend
the q is 5'10" the p is 5'2". see the difference?

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Message 55 of 183 (224283)
07-17-2005 6:09 PM
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07-17-2005 3:55 PM


*blushes*
i'm just trying to demonstrate, though, that the idea that many have that big boobs will change the world is a flaming pile of poo.

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Message 81 of 183 (224443)
07-18-2005 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by nator
07-18-2005 12:14 PM


it is apparent to me that the source of your issue is with parents. the media did not make your parents mistreat you. american culture did not force your parents to only value the superficial.
there's an awful lot of very small and very slender women in india. why don't you mine me some stats about eating disorders there (among the higher classes).
the thing with psychology is that it's an ongoing learning science. there are no real rules yet. there is much debate on causality and no real empirical standards (people have uncontrolable variables). you could have a thousand papers saying that there is a correlation with people obsessed with their weight and people who stare at pictures of attractive well-loved people all the time. but that wouldn't change that there are a thousand other papers that say that such is simply a symptom of obsession with a goal of being loved. but to say that the media should somehow ignore the desires of the people and force an unwanted product just because it might have something to do with little susie thinking she's fat because mommy told her she wasn't good enough when there's significant evidence to show that parental favoritism affects things very severely all the time... that's just silly. especially to say it's playboy's fault. little girls shouldn't even know that playboy exists.

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Message 82 of 183 (224445)
07-18-2005 4:38 PM
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07-18-2005 2:51 PM


Re: Just for you Schraf!
haha silly bitches with gag reflexes. i pity you all.
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Message 83 of 183 (224447)
07-18-2005 4:42 PM
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07-18-2005 10:02 AM


Re: pop quiz.
well. she's a photographer and wants to be a college professor. so i don't imagine high-powered jobs are important to her. but she is taken seriously in the jobs she takes related to her field.
oh yes and i just turned down a job as a car salesman and -while i wore dress pants and professional looking shoes- i don't fix my nails, i didn't wear makeup to any of the interviews, and i don't fiddle with my hair beyond brushing it. in fact. i went to all the interviews just after showering from my current swim instructor job and riding a half hour in my car with no ac.
you get good jobs by having a secure resume and a personable demeanor. if i have to slut myself for a job, i don't want it.
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Message 84 of 183 (224450)
07-18-2005 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by nator
07-18-2005 9:45 AM


Re: pop quiz.
nobody ever said that people who get surgery for self-esteem were smart. you get surgery to look different. if you think that looking different is going to fix how you feel... you get what's coming to you i guess.

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Message 87 of 183 (224458)
07-18-2005 5:31 PM
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07-18-2005 5:28 PM


Re: pop quiz.
yeah. it was an hour drive from my house and commission only and i need something more dependable.
*shrugs* i've seen some fugly people in great jobs.
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Message 110 of 183 (224500)
07-18-2005 8:24 PM
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07-18-2005 7:47 PM


Re: pop quiz.
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Seriously, can you name a single male model that all the women know and fawn over? I can't.
model? no. but how about tom cruise *shudders* (slime ball) or brad pitt?
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No you're not.
At least, not compared to what is directed at women. According to one study, there are about ten times more appearence-based ads directed towards the readers of women's magazines compared to those directed towards men in men's magazines.
Images of women are used to sell everything, in both men's and women's magazines and also in supposedly non-gendered mags like Time.
I'll agree there's more for men very recently, like in the last 15 years or so.
oh bitch piss moan. advertisement is not the only thing where image is enforced. what about john wayne/james bond movies (etc) and professional sports?
how about this. when are boys picked on the most by other boys for being overweight? in high school? no. boys establish their social structure in elementary school. at least girls get a chance to establish a healthy self-image (influenced by parents) prior to middle and high school.
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That's pretty new for you boys. Sucks doesn't it?
new? dick off. men have been in competition based on prowess for how many thousands of years. but what has always been at stake for them has been life, not self-esteem.
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Of course I see it. That has been one of my major points that I have repeated many times in this thread but that everyone has avoided; with the recent advent of more advertizing aimed at men which puts forth a narrow physical ideal as something to strive for, we have seen a corresponding increase in body dissatisfaction, eating disorders, fear of fat, and exessive exercising in boys and men.
and yet you respond to men with disdain when they ask for equal attention to their sufferings. heartless bitch.
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Fat people get less love. Even a little bit fat.
When they get thin, they get approval.
only from equally shallow and worthless people.

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Message 111 of 183 (224501)
07-18-2005 8:25 PM
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07-18-2005 7:59 PM


Re: pop quiz.
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And there are lots and lots of ADULTS under 30 who are getting surgery.
define
"LOTS"

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