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Author Topic:   Does Islam need a Reformation?
nator
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Message 28 of 300 (226997)
07-28-2005 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by CanadianSteve
07-26-2005 8:20 PM


quote:
Many Muslims and non Muslims see that the Islamic world has been at theological war with itself almost since the faith's advent, one that carries over to this very day.
The exact same thing can be said of Christianity.

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nator
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Message 33 of 300 (227008)
07-28-2005 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
07-28-2005 9:12 AM


Re: Islam's beginnings
quote:
Christianity became the religion of Europe almost exclusively through the work of missionaries.
Faith, who were the Marranos?
hint, look at this site to learn who they were

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nator
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Message 40 of 300 (227016)
07-28-2005 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
07-28-2005 9:51 AM


Re: Islam's beginnings
quote:
Another example of forced conversion against the spirit of Christianity, done as a matter of fact while Islam was still a big influence in Spain.
...so, even though Islam was still a big influence in Spain (and Portugal), it was the Christians who were persecuting and murdering the Jews who didn't convert?

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nator
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Message 51 of 300 (227030)
07-28-2005 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by CanadianSteve
07-28-2005 9:56 AM


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For sure there has been and continues to be significant differences between various branches of Christianity. But there is nothing in the NT that could be objectively read as equivalent to the War Verses.
Since when has any believer read their religious holy book "objectively".
It's not possible.
quote:
As I've pointed out too, if Jesus, like mohammed, has led countless battles, had many wives, married a child with whom he had a baby when she was 9 years old, and owned slaves (some made into concubines), then Christianity would be a very different faith and theological differneces would be moe pronounced and have greater implications.,.
Perhaps.
Of course, Jesus' popes have done all of this and worse.

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nator
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Message 206 of 300 (228060)
07-31-2005 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
07-31-2005 9:25 AM


Re: A poignant story from the Islamic civil war
quote:
Do you really fail to understand that outsiders who study the history and various viewpoints within an ideology may know more about it than some of its practitioners? Steve has been relying on many such informants.
Excellent!
I am delighted that you accept that non-Christian sources of Biblical and religious scholarship and criticism are acceptable, and even preferred, over Christian sources.
Can you cite a few of your favorite non-Christian sources for Biblical interpretation?

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nator
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Message 208 of 300 (228069)
07-31-2005 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
07-31-2005 10:00 AM


good ol' predictable Faith
Oh, so there are lots and lots of non-Islamic scholars of Islam who are reliable and correct, but almost no non-Christian scholars of Christianity who are?
You are, in fact, more educated and expert in Christianity that any non Christian scholar simply because you say so.
I understand.
You have no problem at all with the most egregious double standards.
Your arrogance and narrowness is breathtaking.
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nator
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Message 210 of 300 (228078)
07-31-2005 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
07-31-2005 10:27 AM


Re: good ol' predictable Faith
Would you accept any "objective studies of Christianity" that had anything negative to say about it?
I think we all know the answer to that question.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 214 of 300 (228093)
07-31-2005 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
07-31-2005 10:46 AM


Re: good ol' predictable Faith
quote:
Not about the Bible, no, of course not,
So, you would not accept a non-Christian's analysis of the Bible which shows it in any sort of negative light whatsoever.
But, you easily accept a non-Islamic's analysis of the Koran which shows it in a negative light, and in fact argue with any Islamic's positive or neutral analysis that disagrees with your own.
So, you have a double standard.

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