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from Fairy Tale Fred: This is your way of avoiding the fact you were orders of magnitude off? The Bible did not require insects, plants, fresh-water fish, etc. Your argument was based on what the Bible required on the ark. How these non-ark organisms survived outside the ark is another debate. Such is a fair question, and a good discussion, that has been discussed many times. The point is, it’s another topic. Your original claim requiring the ark to somehow accommodate the originators of 10 million species was a fallacious argument that needs to be put to rest.
So the Bible does not require insects on the ark? It doesn’t seem that way to me.
Here are the verses in Genesis.
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
8:17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.
Now it does say in 7:22 all in whose nostrils was the breath of life so the modern YEC apologists use this to claim that insects and other invertebrates that don’t breath through nostril did not have to be on the ark. However it does not say that ONLY those who breathe through nostril died and it more than once says
every living thing and every creeping thing died . If insects were not thought to be living or need air this would seem a pretty big blunder in the supposedly inerrant Bible even if they don’t have nostrils. If insects are not among creeping things then why are grasshoppers identified in Leviticus as flying creeping things ye may eat? I suppose those questions belong on the Bible inerrancy page but I have made the point before that many families and even some whole orders of insects could not have survived
on or off the ark and it has not been discussed much here.
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I do recall KC (on OCW) saying that the flood could have collected a forest along with its dirt to preserve ground dwelling insects. That was pretty far out even for KC.
Many species of fresh water fish and many plants are also big problems as well. Why don’t YECs do the experiment of soaking a wide variety of plant seed in salty water for a year and then throwing them out on ground that had been under salt water to see if they grow? I think I know why. Do you?
Randy
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