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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
quote: Sadly Lemming I still don't follow your logic. Are you saying God gave Joz some cookies? We can test that. ------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Hollywood has their Oscars, maybe we should have our Brads. Only with Brad's okay, of course.
"And now, for best post creating Gordian Knots of obfuscation using grammatical expressions that violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, the award goes to..." --Percy
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Lemming Inactive Member |
John only take part in this discussion if you have something to say you are confused in you own problem i simple added something to your sums and gave a logical meaning to them if you fail to see that then why are you taking part on this forum to understand and learn correct?????????? then pay attention and answer the question or atleast give a answer of some degree or mention a fact that i might have over looked to help me learn too
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Lemming Inactive Member |
no i'm saying there was something there before the BB
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
quote: Hi Lemming, Not unrelated, but why do you think clocks run slightly slower in fast moving aeroplanes? ------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Doesn't really seem to stop you....
quote: Actually your freakish grammar is not my problem.
quote: Which makes sense only to you...
quote: Right... if I don't understand your logic I have no right to be here. Suppose what you pass for logic really DOESN'T make sense?
quote: I can't even make out your point. I think you'll find that others here share that difficulty. Note: When others cannot understand you, clarify your statements. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 11-14-2002]
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Hi Lemming,
I have to confess that, like John, I had trouble deciphering this. Here's my attempt to translate: John, only take part in this discussion if you have something to say. If you are confused that's your problem. I simply added something to your sums and gave a logical meaning to them. If you fail to see that then why are you taking part on this forum? You're here to understand and learn, correct? Then pay attention and answer the question, or at least give an answer of some degree, or mention a fact that I might have over looked to help me learn, too. If this is right, or at least close, then it sounds like you feel you've explained things clearly but that John isn't being constructive in his responses. I guess I'd agree, in part, with you both. Your posts are very difficult to understand, and John isn't doing much to help you. --Percy
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Lemming Inactive Member |
Thank You, all i am trying to do is bring all the issues together to make a logical answer to the theory behind the big bang,
it is my problem if someone is having trouble reading my posts, but telling me they don't understand the question when i know now they really don't make out what i am typing is not helping me,so if you unsure about my posts please tell me its not what i have wrote its how i have wrote it just pick out the points you don't understand and i will try a correct them if 1 person has managed to work out what i am saying then you all could possibly do the same
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Lemming Inactive Member |
well John its not hard to work out how to get - 1 is it,
You borrow something off someone and loose it, This is the same as borrowing a cookie and eating it, it means you are - 1 cookie in debt to someone now see if my theory with the cookies makes sence better still change the cookies to Atoms
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Lemming Inactive Member |
You got to look at every issue right Karl ?
What makes you think BB singularity doesn't obeys the same mathematical and physical laws as cookies?
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Lemming Inactive Member |
Try understanding this
john had borrowed a cookie and ate it, or did something to it to make in disappear. This gives him 0 cookies. But he had to give it back to the person who borrowed it him giving john -1 cookies correct I had 1 cookie which i gave john, meaning he has 1 cookie and plus i gave it him, meaning he doesn't have to give me it back. But because john borrowed a cookie he has now got to give that back, Joz was in exsistence before i gave John my cookie, without my knowledge The reason for joz's pressence is that john borrowed his first cookie off joz,When John recieved the cookie i (Lemming) gave him he had 1 cookie,but then gave it to joz because he had to replace the one he had eaten,Now this gives John 0 Cookies what if the same logic could happen with Atoms. Atoms can have a negative value for short periods of time, Could they take away energy from a atom with the value of 1, And make atoms with the value of 0 which you have reason to believe exsist That means you have got to look at the exsistence of something else to make what you are trying to say logical now should you be looking at exsistence before the big bang ? [This message has been edited by Lemming, 11-14-2002]
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
If this refers to the big bang then please see Message 29. There were no atoms in existence at the time of the Big Bang. --Percy
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John Inactive Member |
quote: hmmm.... John with no cookies. John with one cookie, after having borrowed a cookie. Now here you have a cookie just disappear. Why? You may as well just start at 0 and have John give away a cookie leaving him at -1. In fact, this starting point would be closer to accurate. In your cookie analogies you are starting off with a lot of assumptions about existence --- people, cookies, whatever. Maybe I am starting to see your problem. Really, you need to drop the cookie analogy. Try this. (simplified) Imagine a one planet universe. The mass of that planet equals 1. Now tied to that mass is a gravitational field equal to -1. This is a consequence of e=mc²-- the equivalency of mass and energy. You have a planet-- a something, a universe. But the entire sum of its parts is zero. See, we are not really trading cookies back and forth. The reason we can't tell you what happened at ground zero is that our system of mathematics does not work when one divides by zero. This doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. At singularities, it seems to be exactly what happens. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Lemming Inactive Member |
ahh so now we are looking at a possible exsistence (time,space) before and up to the point of the BB ? and of course after, if the BB happened ?
hmmm but there still there is no proven facts that the BB happened ?could you in lighten me on this ?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: But if I`m the one who starts out with all the cookies wouldn`t that make me..... Oh no, what a terrible position for an atheist to be in.... Ok you lot get down on your knees and start singing my praises for I am Joz, god of cookies.......
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