Big bang and Gases

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Originally posted by Lemming:
wondering if someone can tell me 2 natural Gases which ignite when put together ?
can find anything on the internet about this

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Originally posted by Lemming:
How hard are you going to squeeze them?

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that depends how hard they can be squeeze in space before there was anything there to squeeze them.....

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I thought maybe you were going this way.What laws of nature are we dealing with prior to the existence of everything we call nature? Prior to the existence of space and time?------------------
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Originally posted by Lemming:
nice one thing is i would like you to tell me ?

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I would like me to tell you too. But I can't. Sadly, you'll just have to wait like the rest of us.------------------
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Originally posted by Lemming:
i saw that coming.... lol so that means there was no big bang i guess no firework show no creator it was already there

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No it doesn't. It means we don't know what happened at the moment of and before the BB.

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because if before there was nothing then there wouldn't have been a big bang there wouldn't have been gases rocks planets no place for a god to live nothing would have lived no nature no space no universe,

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Maybe you should learn a bit about physics before singing your victory song.

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however this stuff could have already been there and the big bang was only the creation of our own solar system the rest was already there just it expanded evolved if you like

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Originally posted by Lemming:
Then why are people preaching the BB like its a fact that took place?

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Because the evidence points to the conclusion that it did happen, or that something very similar happened.Looking backwards we can infer just up to the BB, but cannot infer quite to the moment of the BB.

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Why when i have only contradicted your own statements ?

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You think you contradicted your misunderstandings of what you think are the implications of what I said.

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Tell me what i am meant to be looking at ?

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Originally posted by Lemming:
there fore you can infer up to the moment but can not infer at the point could that means something could have happen and possibly didn't ??? ........

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If you mean that we don't know, then yes, you are correct.

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i think you contradicting your misunderstandings of what you think are the implications of what i said works both ways nothing clever about that ......

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Except that after about five physics classes you'll be kicking yourself.

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Physics i know enough to say you can't divide something by 0

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Aha... division by zero. I hate to break it to you but this isn't physics, its math. Ever wonder why you can't divide by zero? The short answer is that no one can figure out what to do if we allow it. In other words, it causes trouble so we kicked it out. This has nothing whatsoever to do with natural law.

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so why are you even trying to do that if something has the value of 0 it means theres nothing

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Ever notice that 1 + -1 = 0 ? Or 0 = 1 + -1 ? Interesting, we still have nothing but it looks different.

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however some people would like to tell me other wise

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But you are too smart for that.

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i think that your that type of person

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Originally posted by Lemming:
lmfao <----- what happened here that technicaly not possible ....

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And you are drawing this conclusion based on what?The real irony here is that the evidence suggests it did in fact happen. That we can or cannot understand it is not the universe's problem. When you say it 'technically' can't happen, what you mean is that we don't how it could have happened. Wow... we don't know something. I'm stunned.------------------
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Originally posted by Lemming:
1 + -1 = 0 = -1 + 1 i agree it doesn't look right but lets do this sum under the exsistence of items

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I'm sorry. What exactly DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT? You did take first grade math, right?

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if i was to give you john my cookie it would mean you would have 0 but i gave you a cookie so you should have 1 because you can't have -1 cookies

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Originally posted by Lemming:
Technically laughting your butt off is not possible unless you add other things to its conclusion lets see rotton flesh then its possible

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What? [quote][b]if you add thingas to a theory that are logical its can become possible but we knew that ..... [/q][/quote]What?

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and the maths which you stated is only possible in the way i stated Right or its only logical in the way i explainned it

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Originally posted by Lemming:
John only take part in this discussion if you have something to say

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Doesn't really seem to stop you....

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you are confused in you own problem

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Actually your freakish grammar is not my problem.

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i simple added something to your sums and gave a logical meaning to them

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Which makes sense only to you...

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if you fail to see that then why are you taking part on this forum to understand and learn correct??????????

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Right... if I don't understand your logic I have no right to be here. Suppose what you pass for logic really DOESN'T make sense?

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then pay attention and answer the question or atleast give a answer of some degree or mention a fact that i might have over looked to help me learn too

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I can't even make out your point. I think you'll find that others here share that difficulty. Note: When others cannot understand you, clarify your statements.------------------
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Originally posted by Lemming:
john had borrowed a cookie and ate it, or did something to it to make in disappear. This gives him 0 cookies. But he had to give it back to the person who borrowed it him giving john -1 cookies correct

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hmmm.... John with no cookies. John with one cookie, after having borrowed a cookie. Now here you have a cookie just disappear. Why? You may as well just start at 0 and have John give away a cookie leaving him at -1. In fact, this starting point would be closer to accurate. In your cookie analogies you are starting off with a lot of assumptions about existence --- people, cookies, whatever. Maybe I am starting to see your problem. Really, you need to drop the cookie analogy.Try this. (simplified)Imagine a one planet universe. The mass of that planet equals 1. Now tied to that mass is a gravitational field equal to -1. This is a consequence of e=mc²-- the equivalency of mass and energy. You have a planet-- a something, a universe. But the entire sum of its parts is zero. See, we are not really trading cookies back and forth.The reason we can't tell you what happened at ground zero is that our system of mathematics does not work when one divides by zero. This doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. At singularities, it seems to be exactly what happens.------------------
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Originally posted by joz:

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Originally posted by John:
I'm sorry. What exactly DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT? You did take first grade math, right?

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I`m sorry bud but it looks like he is one of ours so its entirely possible that he didn`t take 1st grade maths....

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Given that we don`t have 1st grade in the UK its almost a certainty in fact....

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Asking about GCSE`s and A levels may be more appropriate...

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Originally posted by Lemming:
sounds to me you have more knowledge about English, then you have interest in the subject of the BB .....

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and Joz if your going to display that kind of inmature behavier, it won't take to long before people ignore your posts

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Lemming,What you don't seem to realize is that you are so far off base that you are impossible to take seriously.------------------
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Originally posted by Lemming:
Joz i am trying to make good points on all this, and learn. if you fail to see that what are you doing here, To me you seem to be a very clever "retard" everybody in this forum fail to see both sides of the story.

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