Big bang and Gases

no i'm saying there was something there before the BB

Thank You, all i am trying to do is bring all the issues together to make a logical answer to the theory behind the big bang,it is my problem if someone is having trouble reading my posts, but telling me they don't understand the question when i know now they really don't make out what i am typing is not helping me,
so if you unsure about my posts please tell me its not what i have wrote its how i have wrote it just pick out the points you don't understand and i will try a correct themif 1 person has managed to work out what i am saying then you all could possibly do the same

well John its not hard to work out how to get - 1 is it,
You borrow something off someone and loose it, This is the same as borrowing a cookie and eating it, it means you are - 1 cookie in debt to someone now see if my theory with the cookies makes sence better still change the cookies to Atoms

You got to look at every issue right Karl ?What makes you think BB singularity doesn't obeys the same mathematical and physical laws as cookies?

Try understanding thisjohn had borrowed a cookie and ate it, or did something to it to make in disappear. This gives him 0 cookies. But he had to give it back to the person who borrowed it him giving john -1 cookies correctI had 1 cookie which i gave john, meaning he has 1 cookie and plus i gave it him, meaning he doesn't have to give me it back. But because john borrowed a cookie he has now got to give that back,Joz was in exsistence before i gave John my cookie, without my knowledgeThe reason for joz's pressence is that john borrowed his first cookie off joz,When John recieved the cookie i (Lemming) gave him he had 1 cookie,but then gave it to joz because he had to replace the one he had eaten,Now this gives John 0 Cookieswhat if the same logic could happen with Atoms. Atoms can have a negative value for short periods of time, Could they take away energy from a atom with the value of 1, And make atoms with the value of 0 which you have reason to believe exsistThat means you have got to look at the exsistence of something else to make what you are trying to say logicalnow should you be looking at exsistence before the big bang ?[This message has been edited by Lemming, 11-14-2002]

ahh so now we are looking at a possible exsistence (time,space) before and up to the point of the BB ? and of course after, if the BB happened ?hmmm but there still there is no proven facts that the BB happened ?
could you in lighten me on this ?

Yep but energy comes in the form of atoms and sub atomic particles, or am i wrong ?

Speed can be away of defeating time, if i was to walk a mile in 20mins, then decide to run a mile in 10mins i have defeated time.I have time traveled in a way would you agree ?
If i was to download a mp3 from the internet say a 2mb song, which i downloaded in lets say 45 seconds and the song lasted over 2 mins i the speed of my internet connection has defeated timeThat could be why time runs slower in fast moving aircraftsalso if i have a car which could move at the speed of light and could turn around on the spot, Would i hit the back of my car if a full locked the stearing wheel one direction and hit full speed ? because theory points in this general direction the rear of the car wouldn't move quick enough, Speed defeats time

sounds to me you have more knowledge about English, then you have interest in the subject of the BB ..... and Joz if your going to display that kind of inmature behavier, it won't take to long before people ignore your posts

Joz i am trying to make good points on all this, and learn. if you fail to see that what are you doing here, To me you seem to be a very clever "retard" everybody in this forum fail to see both sides of the story.