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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That's a nice dodge - not one of the better ones I've seen you do but quite good.
With this statement, you say:
quote: Is a dentist a scientist? Will I be a scientist when I get my PhD? BTW - Have you found the papers by your professor yet? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Jul-2005 03:18 PM
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
One way is to look at the process.
1. Identify known propaganda techniques.2. Review textbooks, popular TV shows, movies, etc,...and identify which, if any, of these propaganda techniques are being employed. 3. Identify the number of times the average person is exposed to someone claiming or suggesting that evolution is true within a person's lifetime prior to becoming a Phd, and reviewing how many times they have been exposed on average to arguments against evolution. Obviously, this would take some funding and would be a major study, but I think anyone can reasonably assume if they are being honest with themselves that most people are exposed to massive numbers of messages telling them evolution is true, and very little from the other perspective in comparison. Probably the reason more Phds believe in evolution has a lot to do with the fact they have been taught to believe, indoctrinated, and their belief system is thus highly coorelated to the amount, intensity, etc,...of the messages they received, along with the pressure to conform in this area. You've got to remember that science may celebrate some new discoveries, but that's not always the case. Take for example Tesla's claims of over-the-horizon radar. He was thoroughly derided for his claims even though he could and did demonstrate it. When we rediscovered over-the-horizin radar in the 50s, Tesla was proven right, but there was no mad rush to celebrate the man or look at some of his other claims that were rejected. It may be that Intelligent Design is the beginning of the crack in the wall, but I suspect regardless of what the evidence, it will take a lot of the current evolutionists dying off and thus losing their tenured positions before ID will be accepted by academia.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Escape to the future:
quote: So have you got the papers from your professor yet? Do you have anything to offer us besides onanism? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Jul-2005 03:27 PM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Jul-2005 03:28 PM
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: ... you know full well no one here has the individual resources to conduct such a study, and you are merely trying to kill an argument with sophistry. The point here is to get at the truth of the matter. If the hypothesis dies, it dies. It doesn't matter what killed it. What do they call that now? Oh yeah. "Science".
That would be interesting, but hardly necessary to hold an intelligent discussion based on what nearly every one of us has experienced in this nation. Read my lips: I have NOT experienced any such thing and neither have most of the contributors to this discussion. We are trying to discuss whether or not iano's premise is true. You are assuming from the get-go that it is. Stop it. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
I don't have the time to research each of these quotes, but I'll offer a rebuttal to the first one.
Professor Louis Bounoure, President of the Biologial Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum before becoming Director of Research at the French National Centre of Scientific research said (rather witheringly): E.T. Babinski actually contacted French authorities. They revealed that Louis Bounoure never served as Director or even a member of the CNRS. He was a professor of biology at the University of Strasbourg. Bounoure was a Christian but did not affirm that Genesis was to be taken to the letter. "Evolutionism is a fairy-tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless"(Cited in The Advocate, 8th March 1984. P.17) The beginning of the quotation, "Evolution is a fairy tale for adults" is not from Bounoure but adapted from Jean Rostand, a member of the Academy of Sciences of the French Academy. http://www.mwillett.org/atheism/sealedmind.htm Page Not Found - HolySmoke! By the way, I doubt anyone making this claim actually read anything by Bounoure in "The Advocate". People are getting this from Hovind. Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" select * from USERS where CLUE > 0 http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
randman writes: One way is to look at the process. This is just more smoke and mirrors about how the supposed "process" works. You have not established yet that the phenomenon exists. Forget about "how" it works. Convince us that it does happen. Show us the evidence. All you've done so far is spout creationist propaganda. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
[qs] Most of modern medicine {bdepends[/b] on the validity of Evolutionary theory to account for its ability to cure ills and improve life for people.[/qs]
Bull crap. Take out ToE, and nothing would be any different. Genetics is not dependant on the belief of universal common descent.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4677 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Do you have anything to offer us besides onanism? Hey, don't knock it until you've at least practised long enough to get really good at it! lfen
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
So you were not taught in school that evolution was true, eh?
Get real. You most certainly were indoctrinated to believe in evolution. It is presented as fact, and presented in a believe-first, understand later format. It relies on deception in it's presentation such as: the false use of depictions (standard propaganda), examples such as Heackel's drawings and drawings based on them, exagerrating perfectly human (just people) as excessively ape-like (Neanderthals) and doing so for well over 50 years after it was known to be false (it's just recently that this practice has began to fade with Neanderthals), etc,... claiming evolution is observed when in reality speciation is observed, and speciation is not equivalent to universal common descent claiming the fossil record shows evolution when in reality the fossil record shows the opposite in some respect in that species appear fully formed without any hint of the immdediate prior species, and they often exhibit great stasis once they appear, and when they disappear, we don't see them morphing or ever see the morphin process, but just see new species significantly different. claiming human embryos have fish gills or fish pouches etc, etc,...
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Have you got the papers yet?
quote: Support or retract
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Here is the rest of the quote.
He is clearly "finalist" and against all contingent visions of evolution. ["Finalism" is a philosophical term related to a belief in ultimate purpose or design behind everything, including, in this case, the evolution of the cosmos and of life. - ED.] He bases his views, among other things, on the existence of elements that are pre-adapted for their future functions. Page Not Found - HolySmoke! It appears his resume has been exagerrated, not his sentiments. However, he looks like an IDer, not a YECer.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Have you got the papers yet?
quote: Support or retract
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
So you were not taught in school that evolution was true, eh? No. I was not. I was not taught evolution at all.
You most certainly were indoctrinated to believe in evolution. That is the question, not the answer. What part of that do you not understand?
It is presented as fact, and presented in a believe-first, understand later format. Your empty assertions are getting very tiresome. If you have nothing of substance to say, please stop wasting everybody's time. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
No the actual quote is a mix of things said by two different people
that's called LYING not "exagerrated" - I know you creationists find the concept different to grasp.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Yawn. I said there was a botany professor that was a creationist, and you asked for his name, and I provided it.
For me personally, after seeing how they crucified the poor editor that decided to publish the ID paper last fall, I will never look to journals controlled by evolutionists to publish anything critical of their basic paradigm, and would advise against anyone out there from trying, unless they just want to make enemies that work to destroy their career. Heck, you might as well have asked some Jews to join the SS back in the 30s in hopes they could make their case there. This message has been edited by randman, 07-30-2005 03:54 PM
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