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Author Topic:   Is ID a right wing conspiracy?
brainpan
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Message 13 of 76 (229009)
08-03-2005 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by DominionSeraph
08-02-2005 8:04 PM


Re: What's wrong with the Wedge doc?
ID is definitely a conspiracy. ID was created, or intelligently designed, by a small group of Christians as a political movement to introduce religious philosophy into public science classes. Nothing about it can be condoned, or tacitly excused. The good intentions of many mislead Christians aside, ID is as dishonest as a movement could possibly be. In conclusion, it might be fun to just laugh at ID, but the danger posed by the conspiracy should not be underestimated.

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brainpan
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Message 14 of 76 (229016)
08-03-2005 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by paisano
08-02-2005 8:06 AM


Re: What's wrong with the Wedge doc?
Paisano wrote:
You make a strawman arguemnt against Newtonian deterministic materialism using QM ? It even more strongly refutes the 18th century notions of a need for a "divine watchmaker", by demonstrating that the physical universe has more than enough indeterminacy to accomodate something like evolution.
Good point. Since the name Newton came up, let me add an ironic twist that Newton did just what ID wants modern scientists to do with gaps in knowledge. When Newton couldnt completely explain apparent irregularities in the orbits of planets, he allowed God to step in and nudge them into their "proper" orders. Then that damn "materialist" Einstein came up with some ideas, "only theories" of course, that largely solved the problems Newton encountered.
Im sure God was pretty pissed, because Newton put him in charge of pushing the planets a long time ago, and he had been doing a great job of it. It wasnt respectful to force God to scuttle off like that to other dark places like the "improbability of abiogenesis."

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brainpan
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Message 31 of 76 (229231)
08-03-2005 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by DominionSeraph
08-03-2005 4:17 AM


What was your point again?
DominionSeraph wrote:
ID isn't capable of performing the verb, "to conspire." Last time I checked, it's a concept -- not a person.
Two points:
1. It is reasonable to assume the author of this thread's title intended to ask a logical question. His intent seemed patently obvious to me, and apparently to every other poster besides yourself.
2. conspiracy-n 2: a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act.
What was your point again?

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brainpan
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Message 32 of 76 (229241)
08-03-2005 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Modulous
08-03-2005 6:22 AM


Youre right
Modulous wrote:
However, one can say "Intelligent Design represents the coming together of factions within the right wing to engage in a subversive act"
I agree, and this pretty well sums it up:
conspiracy-n 2: a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act
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brainpan
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Message 35 of 76 (229547)
08-04-2005 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by randman
08-04-2005 12:21 AM


Re: What's wrong with the Wedge doc?
Randman wrote:
The issue is how the design came to be, not whether design exists.
It is obvious, in the context of this discussion, the issue is intelligent design.
...so is ID(science)
Explain.
It is not a theological concept.
Well, the Wedge/ID conspiracy would fail if it was presented as a theological concept.

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