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CK
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Message 93 of 312 (227906)
07-30-2005 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by randman
07-30-2005 4:54 PM


RANDMAN wouldn't know evidence if it bit him on the ass
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I show you that he is in the habit of doing such presentations in the Triangle area, which is the same area I witnessed his presentation, and you won't admit that is evidence.
Because it's NOT evidence - it's a testimony that you've seen a man say something. IT IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.
Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
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Message 98 of 312 (227912)
07-30-2005 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by randman
07-30-2005 5:02 PM


My mental illness
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but now just consider you are probably mentally disturbed or something.
It's a nice attempt to anger me but frankly it's water off a duck's back. I was here when Willowtree was and frankly you are quite 3rd rate when it goes to this sort of thing - his material was far better - accusing me of loving satan and being possessed by powerful demons, that sort of thing.
The beauty of this sort of debate is that it's all up there to see - As Gil Grissom says "follow the evidence".
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Message 139 of 312 (228332)
08-01-2005 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by randman
08-01-2005 3:39 AM


firefox and a bit of code to the rescue
Randman - I think you are a complete waste of space. Admin had already ruled on this and i don't intended to waste any further bandwidth on you.
you can reply if you like but I've written a small script that renders your posts invisible - it's a waste of time, I will not even be able to see them.
Reply and scream in the wind all you like - that's all she wrote.
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Message 145 of 312 (228378)
08-01-2005 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by iano
08-01-2005 9:05 AM


Re: Dis, Dat, Thesis and Doze
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WHO ARE NOT IN POSITION TO EVALUATE
So who is? Be specific - qualifications,experience etc.

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Message 154 of 312 (228402)
08-01-2005 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by iano
08-01-2005 10:30 AM


Re: A test for indoctrination
This may be useful:
Falsifiability - Wikipedia

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Message 267 of 312 (229124)
08-03-2005 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by iano
08-02-2005 10:03 AM


Misunderstanding and quote-mining
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Which raises the point. Evolution is a theory. That means it's tentative. Only when it can account for all the data/observations will it be fact. This may be 'standard science' or it may be a way of getting around the problem of not being able to make the data fit the theory, ie: sweeping problems under the theoretical carpet as it were.
Evolution would support the former view, EI the latter.
No not really - that's not standard science because that doesn't actually occur. You do know that TOE is both theory andfact already (like many other things)?
So don't you think you need to get a better understanding of what science rather than the stawman version you current use, before you make your announcments about what supports what?
As the for the quote, as far as I can determine - it doesn't exist. It's a bit sad that twice on this thread alone, you have been pulled up for using quotes that don't actually exist and others out of context.
You do realise that everytime you post such rubbish it diminishes your credibility and makes it appears that you are just another brainwashed creationist? I hope this is not the case and you will consider your sources more carefully in the future.
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Message 278 of 312 (229203)
08-03-2005 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Chiroptera
08-03-2005 12:57 PM


Rejecting evilution= rejecting sin?
I thought the accepting eVILuotion WAS to do with Sin but they generally expressed it as an unwillingness to submit to something more powerful in the universe (which of course meant that we could drink,smoke, go to the porno cinema etc).
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Message 283 of 312 (229289)
08-03-2005 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by iano
08-03-2005 3:14 PM


Re: Breathtaking assertions is all you offer
I'm more interested in why you offer non-existant or totally distorted quotes to support your idea?
Why is this?
Moreover - you do understand that the evolution is a both a fact and a theory?

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Message 285 of 312 (229293)
08-03-2005 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Chiroptera
08-03-2005 3:23 PM


Re: Breathtaking assertions is all you offer
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But I don't understand your point, or the analogy. Are you claiming that you have supported the thesis of your OP to the same degree as Darwin did, not to mention the findings of 150 years of continued scientific investigation?
That's the important thing - why do Creationists always go after Darwin like it's the end of time and nothing happened afterwards. And more importantly if Darwin was nonsense why was it acted - none of the conditions present in the "theory" presented here were in place?

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Message 294 of 312 (229382)
08-03-2005 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by iano
08-03-2005 3:37 PM


Something fishy here
I don't understand how that answers my question about using quotes that do not actually exist? in fact, you avoided answering either of my questions.
My post doesn't not need to be longer than that because it's a very straightforward question.
My question is very very simple:
WHY have you quotes that do not actually exist?
I'm starting to think you are not quite as unfamilar with this board as you claim....
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Message 296 of 312 (229462)
08-03-2005 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by iano
08-03-2005 5:09 PM


Quote sources for Iano
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Charles said:When you turned up I thought from the op that at last we had another creationist who might give us something worth debating.. Sadly it seems you are just like the rest, constantly evading the issue and unable to support what is said.
To make things even worse you (with the post I am addressing) then perform the classic creationist trick of both arguing the scientist not the science AND quoting-mining.
I was so hopeful....
EvC Forum: All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated
  —charles said
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Sch said:I don't have the time to research each of these quotes, but I'll offer a rebuttal to the first one.
Professor Louis Bounoure, President of the Biologial Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum before becoming Director of Research at the French National Centre of Scientific research said (rather witheringly):
"Evolutionism is a fairy-tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless"
(Cited in The Advocate, 8th March 1984. P.17)
E.T. Babinski actually contacted French authorities. They revealed that Louis Bounoure never served as Director or even a member of the CNRS. He was a professor of biology at the University of Strasbourg. Bounoure was a Christian but did not affirm that Genesis was to be taken to the letter.
The beginning of the quotation, "Evolution is a fairy tale for adults" is not from Bounoure but adapted from Jean Rostand, a member of the Academy of Sciences of the French Academy.
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By the way, I doubt anyone making this claim actually read anything by Bounoure in "The Advocate". People are getting this from Hovind.
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Kongstad saidHi iano
What is your source for the qoute bu sir Arthur Keith? some creationist sites claim it is from the foreword of the centennial edition of Darwins great book, but that was 4 years after Sir Keith died. Sir Keith did write a foreword, but that was in 1928, and this foreword did not contain the quote.
Quote Mine Project: "Miscellaneous"
So where did Sir Keith say that?--
http://EvC Forum: All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated -->EvC Forum: All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated
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Charles saidAs the for the quote, as far as I can determine - it doesn't exist. It's a bit sad that twice on this thread alone, you have been pulled up for using quotes that don't actually exist and others out of context.
http://EvC Forum: All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated -->EvC Forum: All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated
just so there is no confusion about what we are talking about - Iano never replied to any of those enquires by any of those poster. There is also a darwin quote taken out of context and ar least one other

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Message 301 of 312 (229581)
08-04-2005 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Wounded King
08-04-2005 5:42 AM


Re: Breathtaking assertions is all you offer
Very true...slightly more problematic when the quote....does not seem to exist
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Message 304 of 312 (229626)
08-04-2005 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by iano
08-04-2005 9:16 AM


Re: Quotes
em..even that is presented slightly out of context... as the way you present it, he is offering for the first time in 1947 and then later retracted it - what you quote is the actual retraction...
quote:
The following, rather humerous quote from Sir Arthur comes from the forward to his paper "Evolution and Ethics" (G. P. Putnam's Sons, New York Copyright, 1946, 1947, by Sir Arthur Keith)He, like me, was a young man at the time. He, like me, later retracted this claim
in it's full context.....
quote:
In the year 1896 there appeared a book with the title Pioneers of Evolution, by Mr. Edward Clodd (1840 1930). Mr. Clodd was a successful banker, a thinker, a man of letters, with a gift of happy expression, and was an authority on the myths which man has brought with him from prehistoric times. Early in January 1897, Pioneers of Evolution was reviewed in the illustrated London News; the opening sentences of the review run as follows:
Evolution is a donkey that nearly everybody drives to market now-a days. No beast in recent years has been so over driven, so overridden, and so over burdened as this poor moke; none has become a more fit subject for the Society for Prevention of Cruelty; never was a beast in such demand.
I blush when I read the words in which this barbarous attack on a worthy book was couched, for I was the writer of the review. A just retribution has overtaken me, for here am I leading the same old donkey to market, and showing off his paces, in the year 1944. By way of extenuation I would plead that the beast I am now exhibiting is sounder, more warrantworthy, than the one I belabored in 1897.
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Message 307 of 312 (229632)
08-04-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by Modulous
08-04-2005 9:35 AM


Re: Quotes
oh yeah - I'd say the same. Iano seems to at least trying to present something we haven't see before...just needs to be a bit more careful with sources....

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