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CK
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Message 22 of 198 (229592)
08-04-2005 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Michael
08-04-2005 7:02 AM


I hope this is helpful
OK some examples of what I consider to be bare assertions:
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Evolution is a terrible theory - it has no evidence to support it
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Jesus was a homosexual - it's really really obvious to anyone with a brain
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There is evidence for the flood but the atheist scientists cover it up
The following is NOT a bare assertion but a statement of faith so I don't think it needs much in the way of support
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I think that God made the flood possible, that's why it doesn't match with normal physics, because of the intervention of God
Let me repost something else that you may find helpful:
I think the problem for many Christians who come here is as follows:
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Zragger was the mighty plusrazor master of the shattered oyxy box. Before he existed, he was able to perform mighty crackletoes of zograds. But low he had an nemisis - the unholy slapperbotrum. And a day came when they fought with jellyguns.
Now it seems like I'm taking the piss and suggesting that Christianity is nonsense, I'm not. But to a disbeliever, the claims of Christianity can sound like that. May disbelievers don't wish to offend but many Christians find it difficult to understand why people don't "get it". It’s very difficult for people who put great store in something to understand that to many people it is of no significant at all.
This tends to led to two types of problems here:
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1) The special pleading:
it says such and such in the bible therefore it must true.
God could have just released all of the heat into space with a wave of his hand.
Now this is fine in the faith forums but may posters run into trouble because they try to use this line of reasoning in the science forums. Christians who come here have to accept that in the SCIENCE forums the bible is given little to no credence, it is just a book. Others, will for a while, try and practice Pseudoscience, they will offer explanations but when cornered will resort to goddunit or well you don’t know the answer either so it must be true!!
This causes friction and problems.
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2) testimonial
"But it was very dangerous to be a christian in those times"
"Won Ryatt was a great man and I knew him. I just know he was telling the truth when he says he found the Ark."
This is the second big problem I see here on a regular basic. The Christian religion is one that is built on testimonial, again something that most people in the science forums will not accept. This lends to all sorts of problems because many Christians then try to argue the scientist NOT the science — But he was an honest man, it must be true or more commonly He’s covering up the evidence because he’s an atheist. This cuts no ice at all in the science forums.
This causes friction and problems.

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CK
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Message 128 of 198 (322618)
06-17-2006 3:11 PM


The more important question is..
why is adminbrian suspended? Because I'm guess that cuts his access to the hidden mod forum, right?

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Message 143 of 198 (323008)
06-18-2006 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by randman
06-18-2006 7:03 PM


Re: why is/was my thread deleted?
How long have you been here? when have you seen that happen?
and em.. your thread is still there - which is the most convincing of all rebuttals..

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CK
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Message 153 of 198 (327832)
06-30-2006 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Adminnemooseus
06-19-2006 11:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
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You have PAF access as AdminSchraf. Perhaps you would like to pursue this matter futher there.
Maybe It's because I'm english and we use the language in a very different matter but over here that subtle code for:
Shut the fuck up.
Is it the same in the states?

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Message 158 of 198 (328196)
07-02-2006 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
07-01-2006 7:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Do you think? I'm going to do a bit of mindreading here - but I always thought that Percy has some sort of social program going on in the background with those rather strange decisions like making faith an admin (someone who regular calls people idiots etc). He thinks that he can "save" people with some positive reinforcement and attempts at behaviour modification.
I also suspect that they think the adminship will rein in her abusive behaviour towards others due to the "gosh faith now you are one of us, you realllly need to set a better example to the little people".
Look at the cage they have you locked in, isn't that really just an attempt to modify your behaviour by allowing you to run your own debates and then when you run out of opponents, you are suppose to go "gosh I realise that my debating technique is scaring people off - pretty pretty please can I have another attempt in the main forums".

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CK
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Message 160 of 198 (328203)
07-02-2006 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Brian
07-02-2006 5:45 AM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
We are totally on the same page with this Brian - let me take your comments point by point -
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In my experience, the majority of kids slide back to previous disruptive behaviour after the initial novelty wears off.
Yes and it's partly to do with the fact that you cannot alter or affect the home environment. At least here in the forum, we do not have the parents turning up saying "it's not my son! he's a woooonderful poster! it must be the other ones!"
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Another thing at schools that gets on my goat is the rewarding of bad behaviour. For example, I have witnessed on countless occassions a disruptive pupil being given a reward for having a perfect behaviour card for one week. In my educational region the amount of money being spent on disruptive pupils is disgraceful, it is unbelievably disproportionate. A huge number of disruptive kids get taxied everywhere, I personally know one child who gets a taxi from their home to a special unit, then another taxi into a mainstream school, spends one hour there then another taxi back to unit and another one home again. This kid has been getting this service for 3 years and he is no better behaved now than he was three years ago.
Yes it's totally bizzare - it doesn't work and all it seems to do is indicate to the child that acting out is a quick route to some attention. At the same time, all the "honest plodders" - the kids who just want to come in and get an education get left to their own devices because you are so busy dealing with the same 5%. As for the very bright children, well they carry on in silence and hope nobody notices.
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I realise I am less tolerant than a lot of teachers (I happen to think social inclusion is ruining our schools), but I tend to think there are only so many chances a person should get before I conclude that they are taking the piss.
I'd bring back the borstal or special ed schools for about 5% of the current school population. The result and standards in the other schools would go through the roof.
What about their rights and education? fuck that - what about the other 95%?
(and I've got to honest - this is one of those subjects that unless someone has done the job, I couldn't give a toss about their "viewpoint").
Edited by CK, : No reason given.

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