Is eugenics the logical result of Darwinism?

Sorry I thought you had a sensible question, I didn't realise you were a complete crank.TTFN,WK

I wish to inform you that if you continue down this line I will be forced to once again post quotes showing that Hitler's attrocities were done from his Christian base.

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Ben, Maybe humans are weak because we've been too soft with each other. You must understand when I talk about survival, I mean as dominant animal of the planet. What is going to become of us if we run out of oil tomorow? How many people will be able to make a living without electricity? These modern advances are also our liability. If, for some reason, our technology fails us, it will be us and the animal kingdom again. How many will be able to survive a fight with wild animals, much less feed themselves? Our faith in our technology is playing with fire. It is making us genetically weaker, and, should something ever happen so we'll be placed back in the wild, we will be in big trouble. Look at human history. Everytime a civilisation reached domminance, they declined into a state of decadence, which ultimately made them weak and vulnerable. This is why all the major empires fell, and the human emire on earth might very well go the same way one day.I think I should mention here that I'm playing devils advocate here. I'm not really a fanatic. In the society which I propose, I will be one of those Omega animals.

Before you do that, I suggest you take a look at "Table Talk."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message has been edited by robinrohan, 08-04-2005 11:23 AM

Been there.

"Sorry I thought you had a sensible question, I didn't realise you were a complete crank."What can I say? I like to stir, but I often regret it afterwards. It seems to be my weakness.

Ben.It is true that anti-semitism has Christian roots (Which I never understood. Why would christians blame the Jews for the cruxifiction of Christ, if Christ Himself said that it is God's plan, and that he willingly subject himself for our sakes. Why blame Jews when God has predetermined the outcome?)But for the rest of Hitlers philosophy, christianity played no part. Hitler often made pagan references, like "the goddess of destiny" and other crap. Also, it was well known that he disliked christianity, as it prevented his people from become the wild animals he wanted them to be.Anyway. The discussion is not so much what the origins was of Nazism as an moral question, and what role christianity might have played. It is whether our morals with its ancient origins are compatable with what we now know of evolution. Evolution transformed the way we view religion. While society rejected religion, we still hold religious morals dear, such as "thou shalt not kill." Should these basic morals which we take for granted not also be questioned whether they are compatable with evolution? Are we doing ourselves a favour by not filtering out bad genes in the same way all other mammals does it?(Once again. Devils advocate stirring. )

Explain the existence of Christian Evolutionists?

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3 comments; please reply only to the last! Thanks!1. Please reply to my posts directly when you're addressing me.
2. Please be more careful to use the right person's name (you addressed jar's post by responding to your own post, and then by addressing me by name).
3. I think the questions you're following along are worth asking, but I'm not interested in being led along by a hopping devil's advocate. So, let's do this the right way. Why don't you outline a future scenario (like you did below), one that is plausible. Talk about the important elements--how humans interact with each other and with the world (I laid this out pretty clearly in my last post). Then talk about whether, in this set of circumstances, physicality will be important over other human strengths, such as cooperativity, tool use, planning, etc.If you can spend some time thinking, present a well-thought out scenario, and draw your conclusions from that, I think we can have a meaningful discussion. If not, I think you're going to spend 30 seconds asking lazy questions, waiting for me to spend hard thinking and writing time to answer them for you, and then "play devil's advocate" some more by changing your questions and scenarios with another 30 seconds of thought.I'm not really interested in that. I'm interested in having a discussion with someone willing to do some thinking. Here's to hoping you're willing to move forward like that with me! I'd enjoy discussing the issue with you.Thanks!
BenThis message has been edited by Ben, Thursday, 2005/08/04 07:00 PM

Bonhoefer was a courageous "CHRISTIAN MINISTER". He rallied support against Hitler. He was imprisoned, tortured and executed.If Hitler was a Christian, why did he execute Bonhoefer? Hitler was a firm believer in Evolution of the Superior Aryan Race. He strongly believed that Jews were less than humans and he executed 6 millions of them. The Abortion industry as well as the Euthanasia crowd strongly believe in Evolution.This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 03-02-2006 08:58 PM

ROTFLMAOMaybe because Bonhoeffer tried to kill him? Think maybe?What does that have to do with the issue?Hell, GOD believes in evolution. That's why he decided to make that the method that helped create apes like you. If GOD had not created evolution none of us apes would be having this conversation.

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I am sorry. I am not an ape. Bonhoefer did not try to kill Hitler. But, he warned Every other minister about Hitler's intent. This was his only crime.

you are an ape, a hairless one with a larger brain but you are an ape

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I am sorry. I am not an ape.

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Unless you want to deny that DNA is the basis of all heredity, then you must conclude that you are, indeed, an ape.Why is that bad?

There are forums where you can support that assertion. I will start a thread where you can defend that position.Debating that assertion here would be OT for this thread. Please take your efforts to the new thread.This message has been edited by jar, 03-04-2006 07:24 AM

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