We are the gods..

soyou let me know when you can throw a thousand parts of a watch into random areas of the universe..let me know when they randomly come back together and make a working watch.. then i will coioncider you a god....but not of the first kind...for there is only one god .JESUS

You are living in what he already has done..
but let me continue with what the author of the original post mentioning the sequences of what came first without his documention.
If he goes to the bible and reads the first chapter, he will see that his posted sequences of creation are all wrong as in out of order..the documentation i have is proof. The bible...it is historical proof written by the creator himself..yet man cannot accept the truth of creation by GOD. As for you who have posted the reply: let me see Jesus do it, then you will call him God, He has done it, and Now you can call him God.. i would like to see you create anything in the like He has created: ie: a working order for man to live in . Dont make me laugh at you again by posting foolish undocumented facts or creations made by man himself...creation was made for man to dwell in with God.

your post is noted john..
there is no confusion as to who created the heaven and the earth..it is shown in the first verse in the bible. In the beginning God
created..therefore, God is the creator, Not buddah, or anyother man made god created . Is it hard to realise the historical record of who made the heaven or the earth. This is were man loses perspective of not only himself, but the sequentual events that led to mans creation by God.
Later if you decide to read the bible, you will find that the son of God is Jesus. Yes God has a son. Then, if you open your mind and truely read and search the bible you will not be left unknowledgable of the Creation of God, and the works of his son Jesus. Now begin your journey as if you were there watching events unfold..because you can , because God has allowed man to read the record of his works , and the works of his son Jesus..all your questions are in there...its quite simple..try not making a political potpouri of the facts as they unfold..just assume you can accept what is written..it will be a start. Unfold your mind..place yourself as an onlooker in the events in the bible..try reading it cover to cover..try to understand..but you Must keep reading, because some of your questions are later explained as you read on in the bible.. now if you can't read the bible, then you cannot know the truth it is presenting you..also..while reading the bible, pray to God who created all, and ask Him for guidence and knowledge and understanding.. because he warns us: a man not of the spirit cannot discern the spiritual things he is writting about.. so now you know that not only is the bible a historical read of actual events that unfolded before mans time, but it also shows us the spiritual world that does exist out there.. maybe i look at the bible as a portal to the spirit world.. yes it excites me that i have found a true reading of spirits and the angels and demons etc. and i believe the bible is the true word of mankinds creator >>God. The bible does not say God has a second name..just God.
Jesus was called many different names : healer..father..all knowing...son of the living God. etc. so i find it comforting knowing there is a God..but i suddenly realise , God is God. The creator.\so onward...when i was a child, i feared the unknown. i feared monsters under my bed.. i saw things i couldnt explain at a very young age. Untill i grew up and started reading the bible, did i then start to understand the bumps in the night..the angels.. fallen angels..demons..etc..and i came to the conclusion i had no better answer to my frights and unknown spiritual entities...well...i read that a particular angel decided he was going to sit higher than God..and God being a jelous God..kicked his butt out of heaven..(this is a short story form, bare with me.)...and the angels who followed this angle were thrown out of heaven..just like adam and eve were thrown out of the garden..God cannot be with sin. The angels name was Lucifer..but God renamed him: Satan//and the angles were no longer angels..but became demons..that is what vexes us today.. and angry fallen angel and demons..wouldnt you be a little peed off if you lived in heaven and were now cast down to earth...i would be..so we are vexed by them...the bible says to be cautious because we entertain angles unaware..so that means we are seen by the spiritual beings...well nuff said about that..im again not a preacher, but i do want you to understand there is only one God..God himself.Tho Jesus said: if you see me you have seen the father...which means: Jesus is no different than his father God. Yet Jesus was here on earth according to the bible..so to me that means if we have seen Jesus...we have seen God..or at least the people that were alive when he was here on earth..cool eh...i think so...but yet man cannot and wills not to believe in God Jesus or any of the creation. why, because he chooses not to believe in God..so what is left, is that the unbeliever is a believer in Satan. The evil.Satan is described as a fallen angel..destined by God to a eternal damnation in Hell ..Hell being a place where God also created to put Satan and his following angels into for eternity.. a place of torture...also the unbelievers in God and his son will find themselves in hell also for not coming to the forgiving power Jesus laid on the cross to pay for all mans sins. well you must read the entire bible..you have to search the bible..dont skip around.. read it front to rear. because i have found that events in the old testiment portray the things that come about in the new testiment. The bible is a wonderful read...REMEMBER..ONLY ONE GOD..AND THAT IS: GOD. . . and his son JESUS.
dont argue..just read.

i was not posting to make you believe anything..if you indeed have read the bible 4 times completely thru, and in hebrew,thats a plus for you...short of getting personal with you, i dont choose to do so, so if your looking for another chance to deny Jesus and what he did for you personally, is your choosing.I just wanted to share my thoughts on evolution vs. creation. I mean i just wanted to let someone else see what i believe..not to get picked apart, or to convince someone else to believe , i simply mean this in short:
THAT I BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL RECORD, THAT IT SHOWS PROOF TO A BELIEVER IN THE WORD THAT GOD HIMSELF HAS WRITTEN.THAT THERE IS A SPIRITUAL WORLD THAT LIVES ALONG SIDE US. THAT WE HUMANS HAVE A SPIRIT INSIDE US.THAT THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THE LOST OR UNSAVED/THE SAVED/.
But yes the bible speaks of whores and liars and murderers and theives
and perverts and the like, because the bible warns these and all men (sinners), there is a judgement comming, and a spiritural damnation for the sinners.IM JUST SAYING THAT I BELIEVE WHAT IT SAYS..BECAUSE IT ANSWERS MY FEARS...IT CLARIFYS WHAT I CANT SEE...SO I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE WHAT IT READS.. so you may have made your choice, and i cannot do anything about your choices..i do not live in your body so i dont care what you choose . I just feel it is a shame that adults today cant grasp the historical record the bible is..when a small child can accept it more easily with out any debate to its meaning..
I JUST THINK IT IS UNBELIEVEABLE ADULTS HAVE TO NIT PIC THE WORDS THAT COME FROM THE TRUE GOD HIMSELF..AND FLATLY REJECTING THE OLDEST DOCUMENT THAT TELLS US WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BEGINNING AS OPPOSED TO A MERE MAN WHO BURRIES A PIGS SKULL ALONG WITH A HUMAN REMAINS AND SAYS HE FOUND THE FIRST HOMOERECTUS..AND THAT DARWIN BEFORE HE DIED CLAIMED IN HIS LAST WORDS...THAT THERE MUST BE A GOD WHO CREATED. I JUST AM SAYING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE...but you may go ahead as you will...hack apart my post, and have fun..it dont bother me at all..i just am waiting for someone to reply with an adult view to what i have written...i really dont care what you believe in...i just posted what i have found in my life..and was shareing it with you.
But go ahead and call me names and tell me i need to start reading hebrew just because you have.. well im happy you can read hebrew...that is your choice not mine...i have heard that the hebrew language is more detailed and has more true meaning than the king james verson of the bible...happy happy happy...im not going to get pissed off because im less educated than others...i know i am, and i dont intend to go to college..or for that matter care how i spell...
to me that is not at all important for me...CAN I JUST SHARE ..sheesh.
oh, its your turn John...id like to hear some detail as to what you believe on the main topic i was trying to relate to..evolution/creation using the bible as a documented proof of creation. just my beliefs john..john do you have ANY BELIEFS?
then share them with me because i am truely a kind person..i just want to share what i believe, not convert, not twist anyones arm..so lets reply to that ok john...dont get personal . .i havent been.
alle

Ok..take the first verse in the bible, and lets tear it apart...if you read that in the beginning, we see that there was a beginning , and that there seems to be a time frame in that beginning by the first word in the first verse ie: IN.. so a point of time before God created is shown here.. in the beginning...something existed before man...and we see that God was there in the time before the beginning.
We are privelaged to have such an old document of the beginning of creation...evolution does not document its beginning, it only trys to find or verify the "beginning". Trying to show proof to mans existance. So evolutionist should start their quest in the BIBLE. Why?.. Because it is the only documentation of the very same things they are trying to prove to have come about...their evolution theorys jump the gun, they over see the proof of things created. In the bible, we have testiment written of a creation by God in the BEGINNING of the time of things prepared by God for man to exist in. now if we continue to tear apart the first verse in the bible, we could see more in that verse.. ie: not only a portion of time before the beginning of creation. ...but a God doing it, an existance of some relm where God lives or exists..before creation, an before the BEGINNING . verse 2 goes on to read: AND THE EARTH WAS WITHOUT FORM, AND VOID; and darness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of G od moved upon the face of the waters. NOW LET'S tear this verse apart so we can see the proofs of things before they were made, and the state that they were in: Earth is mentioned in the first verse, and again in the second verse, but now we are being told that the earth was without form: not square, not triangular in shape, or even put into a round ball, or flat..it was without form..ok now we understand an earth was created, but now we are told how it was created..let's look closer at this crated earth and how it was done..ok..the verse then states that the earth was VOID..not put together yet..so we can safely say, earth was scattered throughout the vastness of the deep..we call space.. earth had not come together yet.As the verses go on, you will be told of how God moved upon the face of the waters, and how God said, LET THERE BE LIGHT. and so on untill we see that earth STILL has not become a round shape as of yet...other things were created and commanded to be made or seperated from ect. ...stars as we call them were started as the fermanment created, and after alot of seperating, God finally commands the waters to gather in one place, and the dry land to appear..now we have a name for that dry land.. God calls it EARTH. SO TO SAVE you time and argument between each other, take the bibles first chapers and bust loose ya'll...I mean you tear it apart bit by bit, and search each word, and make a time table of the creation that is being explaned to you.. things did not evolve, they were created..and if you read closely... God made different flesh.. animal flesh , bird flesh, fish flesh. human flesh, and God commands each flesh to go and reproduce with its own type of flesh. We are commanded not to mix the seed. You go from there..BUT YOU MUST READ THE BIBLE , it is the only existing proof of creation from the BEGINNING .
alle

john.. i visited your site you left on your last post, and i dont want to make a cruel comment...just what i thought of that particular link/site..and the fact that you yourself put the link there for me to visit...which tells me only one thing...you dont believe cration..you dont believe in God...and you're trying to find some reasoning to your spiritual delema...and that the works written on that link are part of your thought process...and frankly john, i believe ....you have fallen to your own bewilderment on anything spiritual...you seem to be filling your mind with the waste of useless words that abound in someone elses though process, which tells me you have not yet found the truth to anything spiritual. you seem to be wearing your rain shoes puddle hopping from someone elses
beliefs, and it appears to me you are very confused in anything you believe...which is a good thing in that you are searching for the truth. Jesus said: Seek and ye shall find.. so keep seeking john..you will find the truth someday..after you have come to the end of your reasoning, then will you assess the findings of your ventures, and choose your belief..The bible tells us :to seek Jesus first...test him that he may show you the truth...and he will show you he is the true god...I just have this last thing to say to you John...this post is not here to offend you in any way..it is just what i feel you are trying to do...i was also at this point in my life...but there comes a time to choose...i think you are about to that point....but that is my opinion of all your posts to me...not are you avoiding the topic of creation vs evolution..lol you keep leaving me links and sentences about how you are not convenced of a true god that exists. again i was doubtfull about god in the past...but his truth will prevail in your life..but he cannot make you choose him.. that is ok..that is your decision...READING THE BIBLE AS A READ, is not what God meant for us to do..he said to SEARCH the scriptures that he may show you proof that he is who he is, and has done what he has done for you personally john.. RIGHT RIGHT , i'm not a preacher...im just shareing again...i was bound to hell before i met Jesus, and gave my heart to him..i was forgiven for my past present and future sin according to him.. NOW IF YOU READ THE BIBLE 4 times and once in hebrew, i simply cannot believe you took it in...(as truth)..because when i read it i got excited that there is a God that forgives all who come to him..open arms.. he forgives our sins .he forgets our sins..he is a forgiving God..and i personally cannot believe that if someone comes to Jesus for forgiveness that Jesus wouldnt forgive them..because Jesus went to hell where we sinners should be for our sins.. Jesus paid for our sins by dying on the cross..were we should have been. im writting this john because you are hinting to me to answer your real question..and that is about the salvation that Jesus offers all men.
That you are confused about a God that seems cruel, unjust , mean,and allows injustice to abound..you are sooooooo so wrong..
You did not read the bible john...you flew thru it in a pissy manner..seeking the bad ,the ugly..and the wrong that was used to show you that the end result of these acts are hell. Read it again john..this time read it like your life depends on its message it has for all men.. because one day when things do come to pass that are written in the bible,, it will be too late to choose...HEY I DONT WANT TO BE IN THAT SINKING BOAT..i amd sure you dont want to be...so try it again.. this time..read the bible like God was doing something great for you..because all men deserve the lake of fire because of sin. we are born in sin, and untill we come to Jesus for forgivness, we could die in our sin without that forgiveness, and end in the lake of fire for eternity.. how do i know this.. God said so in the bible..in his word.. i choose to believe it...why.. because i do not want to go to hell.. it is the hope i have in what Jesus did for me.
I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE> the word of God.. i choose to believe he created the heaven and the earth.. its sad to hear people reject Jesus and his forgiving power..He is such a forgiving God..he is so giving, that he GIVES us the POWER to become his children. He lets us CHOOSE or reject him because he didnt create us as a slave. Who God sets free, is free indeed.. Jesus came to give us life, and to give it abundantly.HE CREATED/HE CAUSES US TO COME TO HIM/..satan is a liar..he comes like a lion seeking whom he can devoure...satan knows his destination is gate: HELL. Jesus is our judge for what we do here on earth and he is the rewarder of thoes who love him. Jesus is so just, that he must judge sin..and reward thoes who love him...he is only offering you a way back to him... and a way from being cast into hell for eternity if one chooses to reject him.. now there is no other god before him..those who choose other gods will be judged .
so i got a grip...i choose jesus...thats my choice...you have your own choice...i cant make you choose jesus...im not you.. im not going to convence you to choose him..im just telling you about him..that he created...because i DO HAVE PROOF HE CREATED ALL. I have the bible that he wrote.. this is the topic i started on , but i felt i had to address your posted concerens, because that is what i was reading that you were hinting to me..that you needed some light to the confusion you are having in your decision makeing...I TELL YOU THIS JOHN. choose Jesus...what if it is true...you know..what if it is really true...common you know what i am talking about john..what if the bible is true...you read it four times remember...what if there is a hell and a heaven...what if one day Jesus does return and judgement starts..and hell is real and many unbelievers are cast into hell for eternity john...what if...i know i dont want to go there.. so Jesus and what he did for me is all the hope i have...BUT IF THE : WHAT IF is true...it wont be too late for me..because I HAVE CHOSEN HIM ALREADY.. its too late after you expire..that is when you judgement starts..I DONT WANT TO end up in hell...so i choose Jesus.
The bible tells us: NOW IS THE TIME TO ACCEPT..because you do not know if your soul is required of you while you are sleeping.. you again know what i mean john.. you read the bible 4 times remember..
WELL NUFF SAID...im not a preacher..just addressing your concernes you left for me to answere john..
allen

anydya..
that post was for john...i dont care what you believe...but if you want to debate what i cut n pasted ..have fun with yourself..no i wrote that..but the word of God will stand...
have a good day.

im leaving john..go to church..

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Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
Sorry to butt in. Mammuthus, you're a German. Do you have first-hand experience of Hitler's reign? I'm curious about something. Did Hitler really massacre Jews because they were planning to take over the world? My friends the Muslim activists say that Hitler killed Jews because he's concerned about their hidden conspiracy. He didn't finish the job, and look, today the world's run by Jews!

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Continue it, you two. I'll do the knock-out counts.

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LOL.. Jews are God's chosen people blessed. They have inherited
the gifts given them by God..They (Jews), are not running the world as you so punningly express. They are using the gifts as blessings given them throughout the seeds of their forefathers. You are just jelous that you are not the apple of God's eye. Spare me comparing the Jewish People to some murderous demon posessed fool who thought he could exit a mental ward to become some great man. He just struck out at the very heart of God Himself, and look how he died. Dont see Germany continuing their quest to fulfill the endevors of a mental patient. LOL