Should intellectually honest fundamentalists live like the Amish?

Let them use anything we discover. If they choose not to use the results then unless it's endangering a minor, fine, but in general, carry them. It's the Christian thing to do.

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But no one has ever been able to articulate what the geological column resulting from a worldwide flood would look like.

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Once again you recommend "willfull ignorance". The geological column, the indicator fossils, should be studied and used however the question of age must be swept from everyones mind because it most definitely falsifies a Young Earth. It is not even 2 + 2 = 5 but rather 2 + 2 = an unknown value that must not be considered for no reason except to allow some folk to worship a book.

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No Faith, it's not an attack but rather an accurate decription of what you and other YECs do. It's an important point and one that needs to be pointed out again and again until it somehow is understood.I would be happy to go into detail on how folk are worshipping a book in another thread. To stick to this thread and the example of the search for oil and the age of the earth, oil is found based on knowledge of the geological column and indicator fossils, mineral and soil composition. It was this same body of knowledge that lead to the absolute falsification of a Young Earth long before Darwin's publications.You are saying, "Get and use the body of knowledge but don't make any determinations about the age of the earth or how the very body of knowledge was created".This message has been edited by jar, 08-09-2005 10:03 AM

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As I said, take it to a new thread and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. You assert that they made a mistake. But the rest of your post simply supports my contention. You are saying that there are conclusions based on the evidence that should not be addressed. That deals directly with the topic of this thread, honesty.When you set conditions on the conclusions that can be reached based on evidence, you show willfull ignorance. You are saying "I will not accept certain conclusions regardless of the evidence." You are going even further into theological despotism by saying that certain question should not even be asked.

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It is not necessary to ask the question of how it came to be therefore thou shalt not use the brain GOD gave you to ask questions or determine the answer.

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Could we also say that geological structures like the Cheddar or Dover Cliffs simply could not exist without a very long period of time for their formation?

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Please provide the supporting peer reviewed articles for that assertion.

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Oh, it's very much on topic. The original question was related to Intellectual Honesty. This is yet another bit of evidence that shows that the arguments of YEC Fundamentalists cannot be intellectually honest. To take the element of age out of the existing geological structures is an act of willfull ignorance.

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Until you provide support for other ways for the geological structures to be created than age, there is no other explanation. If you wish to simply deny age as the method, that's fine. You can simply say "I don't believe that because it refutes my Faith". The other option is to provide the supporting evidence for a different method.

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The point of the discussion is "Should intellectually honest fundamentalists live like the Amish?" My contention thoughout the discussion is that it's unreasonable to expect that behavior or to deprive such people from the advantages gained through knowledge.This thread has been great support for my position. Geology has a perfectly workable explanation for how the geological column was created and it has been shown to be both predictive and functional. Geological formations such as the Cheddar or Dover Cliffs, the Mississippian Plateau, Cumberland Plateau, Fort Worth Basin and other such areas were created over time, long, long periods of time.Trying to take time out of the method can only be done if you can provide some other method that works equally well, or by simply saying "I don't believe the time factor because it conflicts with my religious belief."

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Please point out my unsupported assertions?In fact I quoted the sections from the OP.I also mentioned specific geological formations such as the Mississippian Plateau, Cumberland Plateau and the Ft. Worth Basin, geological formations that were used to find resources (resources that themselves took millions of years to form).If you have some method other than time to create the formations quoted and the resources (oil and coal for example) please present it. You have two options, you can demonstrate your alternative method that does not include long periods of time, or you can (since we are not in the Science Forums) simply say that you don't believe time was a factor because it conflicts with your faith.

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Bot the TOE and OE are testable. They are tested constantly.Young Earth is also testable. If we find something older than 6000 years, then Young Earth is falsified.Would you agree to that statement?

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