For Wolf - Prophecy, Coincidence, or Made Up?

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I think the greatest evidence is the bible itself. "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever." 1 Peter 1:24-26

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Brian - this really sums it up - the bible is the best evidence that the claims in the bible are true.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 09-Aug-2005 02:08 PM

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You don't look like Wolf.

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And this thread does not look like it's a great debate - so I fail to see what your point to Brian is.

And who the fuck are you to tell me what threads I can post on?If you want a nice little chat with just the two of you - propose a great debate or take it to email. As it stands, it's fair game for all of us.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 09-Aug-2005 02:15 PM

Since Tal cannot actually take his Ball and run with it - where shall we start?I guess the first port of call would be any historical evidence (NOT the bible) that offers supports for any of those claims?Anyone?

don't we actually have to see some evidence that he did any of those things before we worry about that bit?

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The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 to the 17th power." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. "Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell."

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em...got the working for that? I'd be very interested to see them......A full table of this "evidence" can be found at:http://www.fellowshiponline.org/biblestudies/Proof.htmThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 09-Aug-2005 03:43 PM

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But let me ask you another question. How do you know George Washington existed and did he really do all that valley forge stuff?

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Dunno -I'm a brit, my american history is roppy - tell you what you provide some convincing evidence for your claim and we can discuss it.hot damn - I know this is a classic Fallacy but I cannot remember the name? anyone?

Why? It would be helpful at this stage if instead of a cryptic remark you outline why. While you may argue with Ravhin's conclusions, he generally gives the reader a level of detail to work with. It would be useful if you did the same.

Isn't the problem with the a-priori assignment of a 50% probability that each of these claims is true?With the evidence at hand (The proper a-priori probability given our ignorance is a very very very small figure - near zero), we have no basis to excluse any of the other concepts in favour of this particular one. Therefore at the outset we must build into our calculation all of the other possible concepts. This gives us an infinite number of concepts?How did I do?

moreover don't we have a problem that we (and forgive me I don't know the right terms) have no way of judging how possible each of the gods is? Would we not need to build this in?

All? I don't know of any religion where they claim they got it wrong, they tend to just pretend it's a "misunderstanding".

Any chance we will see this "evidence" soon?

This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 10-Aug-2005 11:07 AM

any date when you plan to provide the evidence for the thread YOU start?I realise that you are busy trying to avoid the issue on other threads but just an idea of the year would be helpful 2006? 2007?