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DominionSeraph
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Message 272 of 292 (231575)
08-09-2005 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Evopeach
08-09-2005 3:51 PM


Re: Talking Points
Evopeach writes:
(Emphasis mine)
It is apparent that the designer used a unique and particular component for creating every form of life and that the component is not reducable itself if it is to continue its function and idenity.
Since such systems cannot arise in any steps where carbon is not present in every functioning part and since no substitutionary subsystem has been identified regardless of how much less complex the system may be in consideration of time,place or circumstance then by darwins words the theory is falsified.
One minor problem -- carbon is frackin' everywhere. You can't take it out of the Earth to see if life could've arisen without it, since there's no time when the Earth was without carbon. If you want to posit that the Earth started with no carbon, and needed it seeded; then you have to do the same with the carbon that's everywhere else. The position that the Earth was given carbon so that life could exist doesn't explain why the other planets have carbon as well.

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DominionSeraph
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Message 274 of 292 (231581)
08-09-2005 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Evopeach
08-09-2005 6:05 PM


Re: Talking Points
Evopeach writes:
That strengthens the hypothesis .. there are five such subsystems which if removed result in utter failure of the life system.. not just one.
Why don't you just remove all baryonic matter?

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DominionSeraph
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Message 283 of 292 (231607)
08-09-2005 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Evopeach
08-09-2005 6:35 PM


Re: Talking Points
Evopeach writes:
It is not necessary illustrate the falsification of darwins theory by his own definition.
Doesn't matter. It's a heck of a lot easier.
You're taking stuff away, and looking for the point where life wouldn't work. If there is such a point, then, according to you, the ToE is disproved. Now, instead of bothering with the process of taking one thing out, seeing if life would work; and if not, seeing if there's something else that could be used as a replacement; and if there's a replacement, removing that replacement, etc.; it's much simpler to just remove everything. If life doesn't still work after you've removed all the components, then by your reasoning, the ToE is disproved. And it's pretty easy to show that you wouldn't have life if you have nothing at all.

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DominionSeraph
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Message 288 of 292 (231622)
08-09-2005 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Evopeach
08-09-2005 7:03 PM


Re: Talking Points
Evopeach writes:
I am saying pick any life form at any point and remove the subsystem ,which will be there, called the carbon atoms... nothing else removed at any point just carbon atoms. You will see utter failure of the system, it will not be made functional by any atomistic substitution at that state or any precursor state defined by evolution as mutation and natural selection, nor will it be able to function at any prior simpler state in a proposed progression in which the carbon atoms are not required nor at the directly previos proposed state which by evolutionary processes results in a functioninf life form not requiring carbon atoms.
I know, but that's remarkably inefficient.
You're trying to find the exact straw that breaks the camel's back. But since your goal is to simply break the camel's back, why bother being all precise? Just drop a frackin' semi full of hay bales onto the camel and get it over with.

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