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TheDanish Inactive Member |
To anyone at all who's here and debating: why are you here, if you would normally have better things to do than to squabble over things that you know are already right -- or at least know that the other party is wrong? If you already know that [theory/myth] is wrong, and you know you aren't going to convince any ignorant person of anything, then what do you hope to gain by repeating the same things ad nausium? Could you be doing something more productive, like, say, research?
I'm here because I'm interested in the topic, not because I have some agenda to push. - Dane
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I don't have any agenda to push either (except, perhaps, in a negative sense). I enjoy the discussions, but even more I enjoy the responses the scientist side gives - if you read through through all of the threads on this board, you'll end up with a complete graduate-level education in some areas. For that alone it's worth spending time here. Besides, I get paid whether I work or not - so why work?
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6474 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheDanish:
To anyone at all who's here and debating: why are you here, if you would normally have better things to do than to squabble over things that you know are already right -- or at least know that the other party is wrong? If you already know that [theory/myth] is wrong, and you know you aren't going to convince any ignorant person of anything, then what do you hope to gain by repeating the same things ad nausium? Could you be doing something more productive, like, say, research? I'm here because I'm interested in the topic, not because I have some agenda to push. - Dane Hi DYou seem to assume that the rest of us are here to push an agenda rather than simply being interested. With a few exceptions, I doubt anyone here has the illusion that they will change a creationists perception of what science is or a scientist to a biblical/koranic/etc. literalist. I for one get into the debates because I am curious as to how people can support (in their own minds creationism) or live life with a worldview based on a literal interpretation of the bible while trying to reconcile it with science...and it is always interesting to see how varied the worldviews among creationists are....I also get to hear what scientists in other disciplines have to say...and I at least find the time both to post and do my research cheers,M
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John Inactive Member |
quote: ... for the knowledge gained. Why else do anything? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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David unfamous Inactive Member |
Yep... to learn through discussion.
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
quote: Personally, I would have stayed away from this whole evolution vs creation debate as its, well, a bit silly really. I mean, fancy trying to maintain that the Earth is 6000 years old and do so with a straight face - I'd put them in the same category as flat earthers. But when creation "science" started getting the same airtime as evolution in schools in the US (and possibly soon in the UK), it hit home to me that those of us with a scientific background were not doing enough to publicise ourselves and foster confidence in our methods. This has allowed the dark thief of irrationality to creep in unawares, and more and more people are believing this crap. On several occasions, quite intelligent (but uninformed non-scientists) people have told me "well, evolution's been disproved hasn't it?" based on something they may have read in the media (incidentally they can never tell me how evolution's been disproved - it was always something they heard. I'm not sure if that means I have an agenda or not, I'm here to genuinely learn from all the experts who post on this board, get acquainted with the arguments and try to understand the creation point of view. PE ------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell [This message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 11-19-2002]
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TheDanish Inactive Member |
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that anyone was pushing an agenda. Now that I think about it, I shouldn't have included that. Well, I know it's useless to debate the topic, but you're all (mostly) here for the same reason I am, more or less.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6474 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: ******** No problem. There are actually people posting on the forums who have declared a specific agenda so I think the inclusion of possible agendas in your question is valid. Having thought about it a bit more I would say I am also drawn here for similar reasons as Primordial Egg. It is astounding what kinds of misconceptions about science exist... cheers,M
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TheDanish Inactive Member |
quote: I believe that that, if anything, is the core of the issue. People that don't understand what science is (school boards, voters) are making decisions about science, and those that do have an agenda to push will rely on those ignorances. Unfortunately, in the US, we have voting, where people, often ignorant of the situation, get to vote. If creationists want to teach creation as science, the burden of evidence lies on them, and they should take all of it into consideration, such as dodos on the Mauritius island. I could go into a huge spiel about all that, which I almost did save for me trimming my post a bit, but it's been rehashed by minds greater than mine more times than I can count (which was part of the reason I posted this topic in the first place), so I think I'll wrap it up now for the sake of being somewhat concise. P.S. I finished my paper (it wasn't that big of a project; 3-5 pages) that I talked about in said thread, but since nobody answered, I had to go on intuition. Oh, well. [This message has been edited by TheDanish, 11-20-2002]
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
quote: As I alluded to earlier, I think this is a problem caused by the scientific establishment's indifference. Why should people trust scientists when the only image they have of them in the media is of geeky men in white coats who put shampoo in the eyes of monkeys? (OK - slight exaggeration). So in the end Luddism, ignorance gets considered a virtue. (gets off soapbox) PE ------------------It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out. - Bertrand Russell
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monkenstick Inactive Member |
I don't really think these debates have too much impact really, the thing which does matter to me is that pseudoscience never gets into the classroom - borger can proclaim all he wants on an internet bb that evolution is dead but it won't make the slightest bit of difference to science
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'm here, really, because I like to learn and I like to argue. But as a couple of people have said, I'm ready to fight to keep science in, and religion out, of public-school science classrooms. Here I live in a country that likes to kid itself that it leads the world in one thing and another, and 51% of our population doesn't know that the Earth orbits the Sun in a year. So let's tell our kids that the Sun was formed four days after the Earth......
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Why am I here? First, this.
http://www.harunyahya.com I am a Muslim, and I stand in the way of Christian fundamnetalist creationism disguised as Muslims. As yet I am here to look for data, references, and kick-ass arguments against creationists of whatever version. Maybe Christian creationists are losing the local market so they dump their commodity abroad...on my unsuspecting brothers and sisters. Second, I am a biologist, and who knows if somehow I can establish good relations with other biologists/EvC enthusiasts here? Third, maybe for the thrill of the fight?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I'm not much of an activist but I do think Creationism is dangerous. I tried to argue with them. They are not be argued with. If you mention some scientific method (say, carbon dating), they always say it's been proven to be false. Fossils? They laugh with scorn. The fact that you can not argue with them--or many of them--is what makes Creationists dangerous.
However, my real purpose is to learn something in an enjoyable way, and I have done that in the short time I've paid attention to this forum.
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hydrvs Inactive Member |
I am here to learn as much as it is possible from both sides. Whenever you know how the other party thinks, you are going to have a greater chance to promote your point.
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