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Topic: Ad Hominem of the Month
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Yaro
Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: 07-12-2003
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Re: Question for Yaro
No not really. Go ahead and be an ass and compleatly ignore the purpose of the thread!!
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3933 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 17 of 33 (232736)
08-12-2005 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro
08-12-2005 10:11 AM
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EVC Morons
With all seriousness you all off-topic driviling morons, how can this NOT be the first post to be entered into this rediculous catageory for loosers like you all?
Message 155 P.S. If you did't get it.....I was joking. Idiots. =) P.P.S. Kudos to rox for the post. Definitly a classic even if it was blatantly against the rules. This message has been edited by Jazzns, 08-12-2005 02:56 PM
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roxrkool
Member (Idle past 1010 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: 03-23-2003
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Message 18 of 33 (232761)
08-12-2005 5:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Jazzns
08-12-2005 4:55 PM
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thank you?
Is it appropriate for me to say 'thank you?' 
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3933 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 19 of 33 (232763)
08-12-2005 5:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by roxrkool
08-12-2005 5:43 PM
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Re: thank you?
Its all in good fun. Personally I respect what you did. Although I think it could have been done without you getting suspended it certainly captured the frustration that we all were having with Faith at that moment. Some of us for some reason or another just couldn't bring ourselves to let loose like you did. Holmes actually did a little but it slipped under the radar of both Faith and the mods it seemed. Kinda makes you wonder if posts are actually being read or simply skimmed for the points someone feels they can attack.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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i got suspended for it. Well, you did start it. I got suspended too, don't worry.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.2
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Message 21 of 33 (232792)
08-12-2005 6:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Jazzns
08-12-2005 5:48 PM
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Re: thank you?
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Holmes actually did a little but it slipped under the radar of both Faith and the mods it seemed.
Would that be the "jackass" charge?
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Nighttrain
Member (Idle past 4015 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: 06-08-2004
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Message 22 of 33 (232804)
08-12-2005 8:01 PM
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Trivia
Not that it`s Faith-bashing month  This wasn`t so much an 'ad hom' as a grand put-down. I pointed out the Southern Convocation set up a committee to revise the KJV. It was composed of the leading scholars of the time, and worked for ten years on what became the RV. When the American version came out, it sold a million copies on the first day. Faith: Thanks for the trivia. Oh, the pain, the pain.
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paisano
Member (Idle past 6444 days) Posts: 459 From: USA Joined: 05-07-2004
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Message 23 of 33 (232853)
08-13-2005 12:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Jazzns
08-12-2005 4:55 PM
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Re: EVC Morons
Yeah, I agree this post kicked unholy amounts of butt, although I can't figure out how Jazz managed to get it right for once. Anyone who doesn't agree is either a moronic, brainwashed extreme right wing fundie or an idiotic, brainwashed extreme left wing atheist. Sheesh, seems like I'm the only sane one in the center around here sometimes. Jazz... just kidding, in the spirit of the thread.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 24 of 33 (232869)
08-13-2005 12:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
08-12-2005 5:50 PM
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Well, you did start it. I got suspended too, don't worry. bygones and all. i was just trying to relate a funny story, i don't hold any grudges. (although i'm not totally sure that i started it, but whatever. not really important)
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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bygones and all. Yeah. I don't want you to think I hold hard feelings or anything like that.
i was just trying to relate a funny story It was some funny shit, wasn't it? (Maybe everybody who had to watch disagreed.)
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 26 of 33 (233029)
08-13-2005 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
08-13-2005 9:07 AM
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It was some funny shit, wasn't it? (Maybe everybody who had to watch disagreed.) i thought so. the admins didn't. 
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Phat
Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 27 of 33 (233132)
08-14-2005 8:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Yaro
08-12-2005 3:45 PM
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Re: Question for Yaro
What IS the definition of an ad-homininawhatever?
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 28 of 33 (233134)
08-14-2005 9:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
08-14-2005 8:35 AM
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definition of ad hominem
I'm going to shot this from my hip and memory. An ad hominem fallacy is when someone attempts to argue with a point by disparaging the individual making it. Thus saying: "You are an idiot and I don't like talking to you." is not an adhominem. Nor is: "You are an utter fool for holding such a stupid idea." A lot of what has been posted here isn't ad hominem. However, "That idea is silly because your authority is a pompous fool whose degree is from a mail order diploma mill." is an ad hominem.
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Yaro
Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: 07-12-2003
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Message 29 of 33 (233139)
08-14-2005 9:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by NosyNed
08-14-2005 9:20 AM
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Re: definition of ad hominem
However, "That idea is silly because your authority is a pompous fool whose degree is from a mail order diploma mill." is an ad hominem. But what if it were true? What if a scientist decided to decline debating Hovind on those grounds. I would laugh and cheer him on for it
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 30 of 33 (233143)
08-14-2005 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Phat
08-14-2005 8:35 AM
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add a hominem or two
for a list of logical fallacies with definitions and examples see Forbidden Note that they are broken down by category the ad hominem fallacy is defined at: Forbidden
The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked. Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be attacked by association, or by the company he keeps. There are three major forms of Attacking the Person: (1) ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion. (2) ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances. (3) ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practise what he preaches. Nosyned comes close with his examples, and if I change them to: "You are an idiot and therefore your ideas are not worth listening to." "You are an utter fool so any ideas you are holding are stupid." Then they are ad hominems Note that a lot of political 'slander' is done by the various ad hominems listed. Learning to identify logical fallacies would go a long ways towards having an electorate that can separate truth from fallacy. Obviously half the US is logically illiterate, and therefore their political opinion is worthless. This message has been edited by RAZD, 08*14*2005 10:46 AM
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