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Author Topic:   Evangelical Scientests Refute Gravity with 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
nator
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Message 1 of 28 (234299)
08-17-2005 10:43 PM


A friend just sent this to me.
KANSAS CITY, KS--As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of 'Intelligent Falling'.
"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.
Burdett added: "Gravity, which is taught to our children as a law, is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."
Founded in 1987, the ECFR is the world's leading institution of evangelical physics, a branch of physics based on literal interpretation of the Bible.
According to the ECFR paper published simultaneously this week in the International Journal Of Science and the adolescent magazine God's Word For Teens!, there are many phenomena that cannot be explained by secular gravity alone, including such mysteries as how angels fly, how Jesus ascended into Heaven, and how Satan fell when cast out of Paradise.
The ECFR, in conjunction with the Christian Coalition and other Christian conservative action groups, is calling for public-school curriculums to give equal time to the Intelligent Falling theory. They insist they are not asking that the theory of gravity be banned from schools, but only that students be offered both sides of the issue "so they can make an informed decision."
"We just want the best possible education for Kansas' kids," Burdett said.
Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.
"Let's take a look at the evidence," said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden."In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, 'And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.' He says nothing about some gravity making them fall just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling."
Critics of Intelligent Falling point out that gravity is a provable law based on empirical observations of natural phenomena. Evangelical physicists, however, insist that there is no conflict between Newton's mathematics and Holy Scripture.
"Closed-minded gravitists cannot find a way to make Einstein's general relativity match up with the subatomic quantum world," said Dr. Ellen Carson, a leading Intelligent Falling expert known for her work with the Kansan Youth Ministry. "They've been trying to do it for the better part of a century now, and despite all their empirical observation and carefully compiled data, they still don't know how."
"Traditional scientists admit that they cannot explain how gravitation is supposed to work," Carson said. "What the gravity-agenda scientists need to realize is that 'gravity waves' and 'gravitons' are just secular words for 'God can do whatever He wants.'"
Some evangelical physicists propose that Intelligent Falling provides an elegant solution to the central problem of modern physics.
"Anti-falling physicists have been theorizing for decades about the 'electromagnetic force,' the 'weak nuclear force,' the 'strong nuclear force,' and so-called 'force of gravity,'" Burdett said. "And they tilt their findings toward trying to unite them into one force. But readers of the Bible have already known for millennia what this one, unified force is: His name is Jesus."

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Monk
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Message 2 of 28 (234306)
08-17-2005 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
08-17-2005 10:43 PM


It's a joke
C'mon schraf, it's a spoof that's completely untrue from the Onion . It has already been posted in Message 182.

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Message 3 of 28 (234310)
08-17-2005 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
08-17-2005 10:43 PM


so gullible
some folks are so gullible
the question is who?
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NosyNed
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Message 4 of 28 (234313)
08-17-2005 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:01 PM


Re: It's a joke
I think (I am sure) Schraf knows that.
Maybe this should be moved to ID and someone can say how this is different from the more "conventional" ID.

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Monk
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Message 5 of 28 (234316)
08-17-2005 11:17 PM
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08-17-2005 11:12 PM


Re: It's a joke
I think (I am sure) Schraf knows that.
Really? What makes you say that? The OP seems authentic, no reference to source, no commentary. Looks to me like she swallowed it hook line and sinker.

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MangyTiger
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Message 6 of 28 (234317)
08-17-2005 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
08-17-2005 10:43 PM


I prefer the explanation I saw in the graffiti on the ceiling of a 1 Drachma a night doss house in Athens many years ago:
Newton was wrong - the Earth sucks

Oops! Wrong Planet

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Silent H
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Message 7 of 28 (234359)
08-18-2005 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:17 PM


Irony
Really? What makes you say that? The OP seems authentic, no reference to source, no commentary. Looks to me like she swallowed it hook line and sinker.
It is slightly doubtful as I believe she has posted Onion articles before... or maybe I am thinking of someone else.
However if it is true, that she believed this Onion article to be true, I can only hope her embarassment will make her do what I've been telling her she needs to do for some time: read and research articles before citing them!
This would not be the first time she has made that kind of error, though not to such a degree.
In any case, I am at a loss as to why you (Monk) should care. You and Tal are some of the best linkers to worthless information, of various kinds. Having shown little to no interest in improving your own citing habits, and never appearing to questions Tal's obviously incorrect citations... why go after Schraf?

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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arachnophilia
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Message 8 of 28 (234361)
08-18-2005 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:17 PM


Re: It's a joke
Really? What makes you say that? The OP seems authentic, no reference to source, no commentary. Looks to me like she swallowed it hook line and sinker.
you know...
...this is probably the reason people don't get the sarcasm or satirical jokes in the bible. and here i thought it was a language issue.

אָרַח

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nator
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Message 9 of 28 (234379)
08-18-2005 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:01 PM


Re: It's a joke
No shit it's a joke.

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nator
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Message 10 of 28 (234380)
08-18-2005 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by randman
08-17-2005 11:07 PM


Re: so gullible
My friend who sent this to me told me I was the only one to get the joke.
Everybody else on her list believed that it was a straight news story.
...which means:
1) People in general totally see through the ID facade of being non-Christian or non-religious, and
2) People also easily believe that the crazy religious people will believe/promote just about any dumb idea, no matter how silly and no matter how much is contradicts esablished science, and
3) People in the US have nearly lost their ability to detect ironic humor.

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nator
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Message 11 of 28 (234381)
08-18-2005 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:17 PM


Re: It's a joke
Monk, I'm hurt.
How could you think I am such a dumb shit?

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nator
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Message 12 of 28 (234382)
08-18-2005 7:16 AM
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08-17-2005 11:17 PM


Re: It's a joke
Look, genious, if I thought it was a straight news article about ID, why would I put it in the coffee house instead of submitting it as a real topic in the ID forum?

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Message 13 of 28 (234385)
08-18-2005 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
08-18-2005 7:16 AM


Re: It's a joke
Eeeerr, is Monk being ironic?

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Zhimbo
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Message 15 of 28 (234442)
08-18-2005 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Monk
08-17-2005 11:17 PM


Re: It's a joke
"No commentary" you say? Isn't that a clue? Since when does Schraf NOT give commentary to a serious topic? Lots and lots of commentary...
-Zhimbo
(P.S. Schraf and I are long-time Onion fans. We own most (all?) of the collected volumes. It'll give me good reading when I'm on the couch tonight...)

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Message 16 of 28 (234466)
08-18-2005 11:50 AM
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08-18-2005 7:10 AM


Re: so gullible
3) People in the US have nearly lost their ability to detect ironic humor.
They had that in the first place?
(Seriously, the American streotype in Britain is that you don't get irony or sarcasm)

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