War in Iraq, is there a point?

Meaning really, if I may translate, based on what leftist teachers taught you. I wonder how much of the other side of the questions you've ever been exposed to.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-23-2005 02:17 PM

It's square bracket "msg=-156" square bracket or Message 156You should use the "Peek" button at the bottom of each post whenever you see somebody creating links or anything else you'd like to learn.

Wow! so 30k?So the insurgency in Iraq could consivably be on par with this. What will make us more succesfull against the Iraqies than the VC?Also, the questions in post 166.

I answered most of that in 174. To sum up you have an insurgency with no vision, no base, limited popular support, fighting an elected government and committed Iraqis to the democratic process, and you have Iraqi security forces that are fighting and dying for their country every day. Estimating insurgents numbers is very difficult to do. We've gone back and worked with the Brits and their experience with Northern Ireland, combat, all kinds of historical examples. And the true fact of the matter is that insurgency populations ebb and flow. Now maybe you also have a core of hard fighters and then you have supporters, but it's very very difficult to distinguish between the two.What I will tell you is, however strong that insurgency is, the level of missions they've been able to succesfully execute has not increased substantially over what we've seen over the past year. Insurgencies need to progress to survive and this insurgency is not progressing. What you're seeing now, since the elections and a bit before, is a change in tactics for more visible attacks against civilians, and that's a no-win strateg for the insurgency. To quote me again in message 174 (note this response answers both your question, Yaro, and Charle's)The key is making sure their Army and National Guard can effectively fight on a tactical level. The first part is setting up and training the Iraqi Army and National Guard to be able to be the military muscle that the political arm can flex. It takes time to build these units. By that, I mean you can throw people together and teach them to fight, but Commisioned Officers and Non-Commissioned Officers can only be grown through time as the leadership potential of individuals emerge. That potential then has to be nurtured and educated to make effective tactical decisions.

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Dang Yaro give me time! I have to go back and repost what I said from different messages. I answered this in message 188 (goes message diving)To sum up: How do you defeat it? Message 199.*passes out*

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Yes, Faith, you're absolutely right. What passes for education today is an outrage. What our children are receiving in the place of an education is indoctrination, revisionist history painting America as the bad guy. Of course, this is not going to succeed, this attempt to rewrite the story of America because there are too many of us who know the truth. And the truth always prevails in the end, it's too powerful.

LOL! sorry.I think you covered it in 199.

Hey Fair,What's your version of american history? Care to give us a quick rundown?

I disagree that the insurgents are unpopular. I think this is a weak point in our strategy, because the people don't want us there and they look tword the insurgents as the "lesser evil".Iraqi insurgency - Wikipedia

I am sure they would. That's supposed to make me feel better? You are sure of this, are you? How do you know it to be true? How do you know some of those "Iraqi security forces" are not part of the insurgency? South Vietnamese soldiers were fighting and dying for their country every day also. "No vision, no base, limited popular support..." Again, you don't know this and neither does any other American. And the scary thing is, Bush doesn't know that he doesn't know it and he is the CIC. Marines in armored humvees are targets, that is what I am talking about.This message has been edited by deerbreh, 08-23-2005 02:48 PM

Yaro, HUGE difference between Iraqis not wanting foreign troops on their soil (who wants that?) and Iraqis supporting the insurgency!The insurgency is extremely unpopular! They are targeting Iraqis!Why would Iraqis support that?

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Beats me. Could be they hate us more than they do the "bad guys". It's the article that states: Note, the poll was done FOR the coalition. 45 percent ain't too unpopular if you ask me.

I've offered analysis of why it is not. Can you offer analysis of why it is or just blow hot air? 100% Rock solid. I would tell you, but then I would have to kill you. But seriously, I worked for the Deputy Chief of Staff, Strategy, Plans, and Assessment. His boss was General Casey. I was in on alot of meetings, not as a planner or strategist, I just happen to be a trigger puller guarding the place. I've seen the documents. Can I use them as a source? No, they are all classified. Look up General Casey's testimony before congress. 100% Rock Solid for the reasons stated above. What about them?

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Whao, give me a link to that poll. I call BS on that.NM..I found it...lemme investigate.*EDIT*Ok, after a little investigation I couldn't find that poll from the Boston Globe, which leads me to believe it was either bogus, or a misquote. Can you find another poll that states the % of Iraqis that support the insurgency? It should be more like 2%.We know there are 20,000 fighters and (huge overestimate) 400,000 supporting them.420,000 of 25 million is 1.68%.I know 400,000 people don't support the insurgency. Remember alot (I think most) are not Iraqis and are killing Iraqis.If the boston globe poll is correct, 12 Million Iraqis support the insurgency.That simply isn't true.This message has been edited by Tal, 08-23-2005 03:15 PM

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Insurgency seen forcing change in Iraq strategy - The Boston GlobeThe figure of 45% is mentioned on the second page.