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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
we are the victims of terrorism. It wasn't Iraqis on those planes.
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
You cannot say you support & love our troops & then make public statements that put them in additional danger, which is what you're doing. You are giving aid & comfort to the enemy every you publicly voice your dissent. For the love of God, please stop it. You are encouraging the enemy to fight harder, to fight longer, to build more bombs, convincing the resolve of the American people is weakening.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
There was simply no way Bush could have brought them onside. That's your opinion. He didn't try very hard so we will never know.
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5048 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
Again: at what point would you consider it to be okay for anyone to oppose our activities in Iraq? if we were committing genocide, would you be saying: the decision is already made, the election is over, we have a Commander In Chief & his is the responsibility & power to conduct the war. Ours is the responsibility of patriotic citizen, which means supporting this nation.
When, in your opinion, do we have the responsibility to say "this government is conducting the war in a way that I don't agree with?"
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Chiroptera writes: A wrong does not cease to be a wrong just because a "decision has been made", nor does one's responsibility to stop it end. For the sake of argument let's assume that it was morally wrong to invade Iraq. Time only flows in one direction and the fact that the invasion happened can't be changed. I'm just saying that in my view it would be morally wrong to now pull out of Iraq and leaving them ungoverned and defenceless. In addition I believe it would have a long term negative impact on stability in the Middle East as well as strengthening the terrorists.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: In my view, it is up to the Iraqis themselves to determine whether the continued presence of US forces is morally right or wrong, and under what conditions it would be morally right to remain.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5677 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Just the opposite from what I've seen, including British soldiers I worked with. Many volunteered.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Again these are the tired old Vietnam arguments. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to question the patriotism of those who disagree with you. You do not know the enemy well enough to know what gives them "aid and comfort." It is just as likely that the insurgents want the U.S. to STAY, as it helps their recruiting.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Chiroptera writes: In my view, it is up to the Iraqis themselves to determine whether the continued presence of US forces is morally right or wrong, and under what conditions it would be morally right to remain. Good point and I agree. I'm not just sure who you listen to though. The Kurds definitely want them there, the Sunnis don't and the Shias are a mixed bag. The elected officials whose lives are constantly in danger most definitely want them there.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5677 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
What part of "target" don't you understand? Some are getting killed but many more are coming home as amputees or maimed in some other way. Either way, they are no longer available for duty. And? What point are you trying to articulate?
As to your analysis - excuse me but I have heard it all before - during Vietnam. I have no more confidence in the U.S. military's or the civilian leadership's analysis of what is really going on in Iraq than I did in Vietnam. Then you argue in ignorance. Good luck. Tired of the opposite sex? Want to turn your favorite football player into a raging homsexual? Then purchase your Gay-Gene Cattle Prod! One Zap from the GGCP will turn the Gay Gene off or on at your whim. So if you want your wife to get some hot girl on girl action, the Gay-Gene Cattle Prod is for you! *not intended for use on children*
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I tend to agree with Thomas Jefferson - it's a bad thing for people to stay silent, it's not a trait to encourage.
quote: Mr.Lincoln also had something important to say:
quote: Why don't you trust the american people?
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
Well, obviously, if our government were conducting war as the Nazi's or Stalin did during WWII, or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or the genocide occuring in the Darfur Province of Sudan today, then I'd say we'd all be screaming at the top of our lungs. But that is not what's happening. Millions of us in America support this war & although things are very difficult at the present time in Iraq, we must stand firm & stay the course. Too many people are counting on us. We cannot walk away from this & running off at the mouth out of pure political hatred of GWB, or the desire to regain political power, is no reason to risk the lives of our troops or the Iraqi people.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Volunteered in what sense?
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
This would bethe French who along with the Russians, and others who were making billions along with Saddam Hussein from under the table oil dealings under the cover of the UN food for oil program. Beside the point. Nobody's hands were clean, including American companies.
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FairWitness Inactive Member |
I do trust the American people, a majority of us elected President George W. Bush as our Commander In Chief & Republican majorities to both houses of Congress. Why don't you trust that decision made by millions of your fellow American citizens?
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