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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
and why is this not an attack on Charles? Set parameters or allow all attacks
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2492 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
To be fair, I don't really need anyone rushing to my defense.
My ban occured while I was at the movies, then out to dinner, then asleep. It had been 12 hours before I even checked my email. As I said then, and now, I fully accept any decision the admins make. This isn't a democracy, I don't pay anything to post here, I don't maintain the server or the site. We don't even have to put up with banner ads! (Thanks by the way). They get to make the rules and enforce them as they see fit. I have no problem with that at all. There really can't be a completely "fair" system since all the decisions are going to be subjective evaluations of the intent of a post made by someone the admin has never really met. This site is great, and I love being able to hash out these ideas / answer questions / correct falsehoods. From time to time, we're all bound to get frustrated with whomever we are having an argument with and overreact. We shouldn't, but it's bound to happen. It's good to have someone there to watch the borders.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2492 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Gotta side with Rand on this one, sorry to say.
Charles, take it down a notch buddy. It's all good.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
BS. It has to be fair or the whole site is BS.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
But the point is - I'm actually DEFENDING Faith with that post - I'm not suggesting faith is "special education", I'm suggesting that is how the moderators are treating her by expecting lower/different standards of behaviour. So the question has to be "why?"
The only reasonable explanation is that they don't feel she is capable of adjusting her behaviour and interaction with other posters - maybe she is not - but that's NOT a decision for the moderators to take - it's demeaning to her and this site. Yes sometimes I am too blunt but I perfer that to pleasant half-truths.
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
Explain what is wrong with this post. Am I out of line saying what is true. Why does Faith get a free ride? Faith can attack and criticize with no retribution, but I explain in clear coherent terms why this is unjust and I am proclaimed the bad guy???? What is up with that? I have no idea what you are talking about. You were not proclaimed the bad guy. If you'll go back and read my message I said "the last 21 messages". This is degenerating into a playground "He said - She said - Billy did it first" discussion. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
Message 1 Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, Style Guides for EvC and Assistance w/ Forum Formatting
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That reply is a dodge.
Many members of this group feel Faith get special or different treatment from the rest of us: 1) Is there a policy to give Faith special or different treatment to the rest of us? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes - then the next logical question is why? If the answer is no, then we need to understand why that perception has arisen (but that's not an issue we need to tackle on this thread because it's not directly related to moderation). Look I know that moderation can be a pain in the ass and a drain on time (I do it on a number of boards) but if you step up, then..em.. you step up.
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
First, there is no one standard of moderation. Each moderator is unique and independant. There are often disagreements between mods on what tactics to take.
1) Is there a policy to give Faith special or different treatment to the rest of us? Fundamentalists, Young Earth Creationists and Evangelicals, not just Faith but in general, are given greater leeway than Atheists, Evolutionists (including Theists Evolutionists) or Agnostics. The later are held to higher standards.
2) If the answer to 1 is yes - then the next logical question is why? I can only voice here what I have said to the other moderators. It is only my position, and does not imply that any of the other mods agree with it. I believe that people such as I described in the former group constitute a large percentage of the general population. We need to be constantly reminded of their presence, their beliefs, their capabilities and limitations. They should be allowed pretty much free rein so that those characteristics may be demonstrated to all. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
Message 1 Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, Style Guides for EvC and Assistance w/ Forum Formatting
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Well if that's your attitude then I just want to say that...
oh you answered my questions fully. Thanks for clearing that up. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 28-Aug-2005 12:40 PM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
adminjar writes: We need to be constantly reminded of their presence, their beliefs, their capabilities and limitations. They should be allowed pretty much free rein so that those characteristics may be demonstrated to all. I think it's a little more nuanced than that. I think there is a clear and intentional bias for two main reasons: (1) the proportion of people from each camp is different, with a higher proportion of evos defending evolution than creos defending creationism, and this means that they speak for more. If you had a steady flow of creos through the site it would be a different matter. I also think that over half of americans really don't care one way or the other (because science is for kids that don't play football, and we all know how important football is to education). The debate is between the 20% at each end of the spectrum that care a lot about the issue. (2) When you eliminate one side by edict then the need for the site vanishes. This is also an empty "victory" (like winning a football game when the other team doesn't show up) But in addition there is another factor in this issue, and that is one of knowing how to do science use logic and develop hypothesis from data. It's not so much that those on the creo side are unable to do this as much as it is a fact that they are {by and large\usually\by circumstance beyond their control} untrained in {doing\recognizing\understanding} it (Personally I think this is an area of education that has failed america: teaching logical thought and rational evaluation techiques). One has to make allowances for people who are learning (some more reluctantly than others) while debating what is considered acceptable to the other side. It's like negotiating your trial for shoplifting bottled water while learning the language at the same time. That said, there are two rules that I think should be strictly enforced, (1) absolutely no gratuitous ad hominems even by inference (it's so easy to do and so easy to follow suit ... I find myself doing little "digs" and try to minimize them and hold them to concepts not to the posters of the concepts) and (2) providing evidence for a challenged position or withdrawing the statement (including whether your "quote" of another's position is correct or not). The first is unnecessary for anyone's position, without the second there is no debate but a shouting match with people covering their ears. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 476 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
My question is how come hoaryhead is permitted to roam the forums even though this guy uses personal attacks half of the time and present fake facts the other half? He's only been here a short time and he is worse than Faith.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
godfearingathiest keeps posting something about his rejected pnt in my thread, totally off topic. i've told him a couple times to cut out, because it's completely the wrong place.
but i guess he really wants to talk about it. http://EvC Forum: Discovery Institute's "400 Scientist" Roster
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ignore him totally and see what happens.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well, they just suspended him. maybe he'll get the idea.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3993 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, Arach, try Nighttrain`s Ten Ironclad Rules of Communication
Rule 1. Never debate a fool or a fanatic Rules 2-10. Refer to Rule 1.:-P
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