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dsv
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Message 16 of 315 (237999)
08-28-2005 1:39 PM


It's because New Orleans' sinning has gotten out of control! Damn those girls gone wild to hell!

Anyway, I'm currently in South Florida and it passed us as barely a category 1. Everyone thought it was just going to fizzle out after that but it grew like crazy. Passing over Florida didn't seem to hurt it much.

Good luck to you all. I say get out if you can, it's no fun sitting through it even if nothing is damaged. Especially having the power out for a few days.


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Message 17 of 315 (238012)
08-28-2005 3:01 PM
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08-28-2005 11:18 AM


Re: Galveston
Will the water recede though if the levee breaks?

I'm not so sure this couldn't wipe out much of the city permanently.


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Message 18 of 315 (238014)
08-28-2005 3:35 PM
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08-28-2005 3:01 PM


Re: Galveston
The levees are there because New Orleans is currently below sea level. If the levees break (or just are overtopped by the storm surge) the city will flood with no place for the water to run off to. Couple this with a power outage to shut off the pumps and you have Lake New Orleans.

There would also be much damage because the waves on top of the storm surge would reach the second floors if not the third floors. I have read an account of one (1) woman who survived a {Camille} hurricane party on the third floor of a building in Pass Christian by going out the window as the waves bashed in the second floor and the building collapsed, then clinging to a tree for hours before ending up ~50? miles away when the storm let up.

Yes after the storm passes, the electricity can be restored, the low areas pumped out, the mud {sucked\swept\shovelled} up, the walls and floors disinfected, the water supply system purged and sanitized, the road, bridges and levees repaired and the damaged buildings rebuilt, etc... And it probably will be because (1) people are stupid about where they live(1) and (2) there is no problem when there is no hurricane (perhaps you know the folk song about the virginia traveller?), and (3) because the government will pay for it (gotta love that liberal government social protection stuff eh?)


(1) - NOTE: this applies to people living on top of fault lines, next to volcanoes, on eroding banks, on low outerbank islands (that are in a constant state of movement downcurrent), on flooding rivers, etc (have I left anybody out?)


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Message 19 of 315 (238016)
08-28-2005 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


This reminds me of a joke I heard last year.

Why do they always use women's names for hurricanes?

Because when they move in, they make your lives miserable. They make you afraid for your lives. Sometimes, they make you sleep in the basement rather than your bedroom. Sometimes, they make you go elsewhere to seek shelter and protection.

When they leave, they take your houses, pets, cars, money, and everything else they can grab with them.


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Message 20 of 315 (238024)
08-28-2005 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


Looks like a really nasty one
This could be one of the ones that goes down in history. I only hope that everyone in the danger area has managed to get out in time. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you who are in the vicinity of this vicious storm.

I think I heard somewhere that they've decided Katrina wasn't a Cat 1 when she hit Florida after all, although I haven't heard what they regraded her as. Anyone know?


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arachnophilia
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Message 21 of 315 (238026)
08-28-2005 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Lammy
08-28-2005 3:39 PM


This reminds me of a joke I heard last year.

Why do they always use women's names for hurricanes?

you do know that they don't, right? they alternate.


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Message 22 of 315 (238027)
08-28-2005 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


cat5?
holy crap! do you live in the target area?

we kind of laughed katrina off when it came around there going "it's not even a hurricane yet? hell, i've been OUTSIDE in worse..."

but uh, it got serious in a hurry.


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Message 23 of 315 (238031)
08-28-2005 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by RAZD
08-28-2005 3:35 PM


Re: Galveston
I guess they'll rebuild even if gets that bad, but that's an awful lot of damage, 15-20' water covering New Orleans.

I read somewhere that there is evidence south Louisiana and parts of Texas are sinking due not just to erosion and the levees but subduction or something like that.


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Message 24 of 315 (238032)
08-28-2005 4:31 PM
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08-28-2005 4:20 PM


Yes, I do.

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Message 25 of 315 (238043)
08-28-2005 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by arachnophilia
08-28-2005 4:22 PM


Re: cat5?
arachnophilia asks me:

quote:
holy crap! do you live in the target area?

No, not really. I live in Vicksburg MS, which is right on the Mississippi-Louisiana border at I-20 (same latitude as Jackson MS and Dallas TX). The storm is expected to be a cat 2 or 3 when it crosses this latitude. It's not expected to drop to tropical storm status until it crosses the Tennessee line.

This could be devastating to both LA and MS. Our gulf coast will be on the east side, and 20'+ storm surge is expected from NO all the way over to Mobile. Camille had a 25' surge; it obliterated the MS Gulf Coast and did massive damage in Plaquemines Parish, LA. It was more powerful than Katrina (at least in her current state), but it wasn't as large.

Areas of central Mississippi (and those areas haven't been precisely pinpointed yet) are expected to endure hours of tropical storm and hurricane force winds.


"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."— George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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Message 26 of 315 (238046)
08-28-2005 4:50 PM


Hurricane Names
On a lighter note, I'm reminded of some research I did a few years ago about how the hurricane naming convention began. There had long been a need for a convenient way to distinguish one storm from another when there might be several tropical depressions, waves, storms and hurricanes at once. Military forecasters picked up the idea of naming them from a radio weatherman (this was before television) in Australia. That guy had a habit of naming the cyclones after politicians he didn't like. Thus, he might have named this one Hurricane Bush. Once the storm had passed, he'd drop the "hurricane" part and simply cover the news of all the death and destruction Bush had caused.


"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."— George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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arachnophilia
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Message 27 of 315 (238051)
08-28-2005 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by berberry
08-28-2005 4:47 PM


Re: cat5?
The storm is expected to be a cat 2 or 3 when it crosses this latitude. It's not expected to drop to tropical storm status until it crosses the Tennessee line.

that's still not too good. are you guys prepared for that sort of thing up there? i mean, down here, we just put down the shutters, make sure we have water, flashlights, and a radio. in fact, my shutters are still down from katrina -- we're too lazy to put them back up. god knows it'll be another one next week, right?

but at least you won't be getting the full force of it. i live on the coast here, so we always have "fun" hurricane experiences. the only bit we have to slow them down is the bahamas.

Areas of central Mississippi (and those areas haven't been precisely pinpointed yet) are expected to endure hours of tropical storm and hurricane force winds.

during frances last year, it felt like we were getting pummeled for 8 hours or more. i actually lost confidence in my front door because it was rattling so much. i got up and tied it shut with an extension cord. (not like we had power anyways) it can be scary when it's going for hours on end.

anyways. stay safe, good luck, and watch out for downed power lines.


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Message 28 of 315 (238052)
08-28-2005 5:09 PM
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08-28-2005 4:50 PM


Re: Hurricane Names
Once the storm had passed, he'd drop the "hurricane" part and simply cover the news of all the death and destruction Bush had caused.

lol.

nah, the two we had last year would have been "george" and "jeb."


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Message 29 of 315 (238054)
08-28-2005 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by dsv
08-28-2005 1:39 PM


Passing over Florida didn't seem to hurt it much.

nor did it hurt florida much.

i mean, there was that overpass construction site, but it was like hanging in the air only supported by one end. they had to expect it to come down.

overall, the media played this one WAY up.


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Message 30 of 315 (238063)
08-28-2005 5:36 PM


is this a hoax, wacko or what???
Ok, the following link is pretty far-out, but here's the thing. I saw last year right before all the hurricanes hit down here in Florida a cloud pattern, like spikes, that I had never seen before, and then wound up reading on the Net about this guy that pointed out such a pattern as a signature of weather engineering.

I mentioned it to my wife, kind of laughing it off, but it was a very odd weather pattern, and mentioned how this guy says these are the signatures to look for in massive weather engineering. The same guy pretty much predicted this year a massive Cat 5 would be steered directly at our Gulf oil production centers.

Now, I still don't really believe in this conspiracy angle, but these have been some strange coincidences. Let me add that I don't see what this guy is talking about in some of the cloud patterns he links to, but still thought the link might be of interest.

http://www.weatherwars.info/

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