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Message 66 of 103 (238076)
08-28-2005 6:18 PM

Reply to: Message 65 by CK
08-28-2005 5:51 PM

Re: protocols, please

that would be interesting.

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Message 68 of 103 (238102)
08-28-2005 8:34 PM

Reply to: Message 67 by RAZD
08-28-2005 7:43 PM

Re: protocols, please

(1) that the survey could be discussed among colleages: if the person determines he is the only one getting it, and knows that his name is on the list, that he will make assumptions that will lead to not answering, while his determining that others are getting the same survey might make him MORE likely to answer

sending it to other could serve as a control group, too.

(2) running it as a general survey take the {targeting stigma} off the process. sure we are interested in the real opinions of these people, but we should be equally interested in the real opinions of their co-workers.

We could have one of the question sets be "are you aware of the {DI full name and website} list of 400 scientists that endorsed this statement{list statement}
Y( ) or N( )
are you one of them?
Y( ) or N( )
whether yes or no above, do you endorse it now?
Y( ) or N( )

we should definitally consider that. how do we choose how else to send it too? and how the confirm that the people on the list are willingly on the list (i would not put fraud above DI).

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Message 70 of 103 (238343)
08-29-2005 4:16 PM

Reply to: Message 69 by Maxwell's Demon
08-29-2005 3:33 PM

Re: protocols, please

a good point. complexity is also a word associated with id and arguments like michael behe's.

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Message 80 of 103 (238779)
08-31-2005 1:28 AM

Reply to: Message 78 by Monk
08-30-2005 11:51 AM

would someone promote this topic please?

i've posted a pnt here: EvC Forum: Discovery Institute's "400 Scientist" Questionaire

it has yet to be promoted. i imagine the admins have some issues regarding it, but maybe it just got lost.

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Message 84 of 103 (243640)
09-15-2005 12:49 AM

Reply to: Message 82 by Cold Foreign Object
09-14-2005 8:55 PM

How smart was Davidson that he could get so duped to begin with ?

well, that's sort of the question we're trying to answer.

speaking of which, we should get back to finding some more emails. do people still wanna do this?

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Message 95 of 103 (244750)
09-18-2005 11:59 PM

Reply to: Message 88 by Cold Foreign Object
09-18-2005 6:10 PM

No, what I meant to say is that the whole thing was on purpose by Davidson - he was a Darwinist incognito from the start. If he was as claimed - genuinely duped, then he would have never let his story out of the bag. Davidson, (like any person in his position) would not want what happened broadcasted. Because he put the story out I must conclude the entire scenario was planned as some sort of poison the well scheme against DI.

imho, having read alot about the di, that would be totally fair game.

but one of the possible outcomes of this is that we discredit his claim that the di is being deceptive. if every scientist that answers our questions agrees with the di position, then he's basically a statistical aberation. one guy who made a mistake.

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Message 102 of 103 (253176)
10-19-2005 6:50 PM

Reply to: Message 101 by DouglasGFrank
10-19-2005 6:13 PM

uh.

I drop a pen on the floor, then ask 'why' it falls.
The typical response is 'gravity'

try me.

the mass of the earth distorts spacetime in such a way that vector of pen's path through spacetime intersected the planet.

another acceptable question is "why did the earth fall into the pen?" from pen's point of view, it certainly did, and even in a newtonian sense, all masses attract: the earth did move.

Then I ask, but what IS gravity?

Students try various explanations, but in the end they learn that science gives names to phenomena and models phenomena, but it can't say what something is or why it is like it is...only how it behaves.

gravity is the curvature and distortion of spacetime caused by mass.

why does mass warp spacetime? because it's there. that question is about as silly as wondering why you displace water when you go for a swim.

This very fruitful discussion usually results in deep conversations about the nature of the 'ether' of the universe, string theory, cosmology, etc...

sci-fi and philosophy are not science. but general relativity and string theory are. you can ask "how did the rules come to be?" but that's philosophy -- religion.

Science is not a collection of facts. It is a way of thinking and a process by which we strive to understand nature.

yes, this is true. but striving to understand nature does not mean that we do not understand nature.

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