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Author Topic:   2/3rds of Americans want creationism taught.
mark24
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Message 14 of 253 (238820)
08-31-2005 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by randman
08-31-2005 2:27 AM


Re: rhetoric like a brick wall
randman,
I don't believe 2/3rds of Americans are mere dupes.
I do.
IMO, present the factual arguments. Education is not a bad thing. If ToE is so superiour to creationism and ID, then it will be apparent, and if not, then truth is served.
The "truth" has already been served.
The earth is ~4.5 billion years old, not 6,000. As per the EVIDENCE.
Noah's flood not only lacks global evidence, but there is contradsictory evidence too.
Evolution has many lines of multidisciplinary evidence, creation has none.
That's why 2/3rds of the US are dupes, if your figures are to be believed. They're stupid enough to ignore the fact that they have no evidence in their favour, falsifying evidence against them, & their opponents have evidence in support of their position, & they STILL want creationism taught.
It's religion, not science. Teach it by all means, but 2/3rds of Americans are going to have to go to sunday school.
Mark

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Message 201 of 253 (274610)
01-01-2006 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by randman
12-31-2005 4:37 PM


Re: rhetoric like a brick wall
Randman,
It's a shame, but they are not educating people, but indoctrinating them.
Please don't judge us by your standards.
Mark

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mark24
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Message 208 of 253 (274731)
01-01-2006 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by randman
01-01-2006 5:18 PM


Re: Minority view
randman,
I think, for example, if I was allowed to post a pic of the latest and best illustration of "the first whale", Pakicetus, in a tone pointing out that it isn't a whale at all, that evos would be backtracking all over the country and forced to present sober arguments instead of wild tales and overstatements passed off as facts, and then both evos and non-evos would be better served.
If at the same time everyone that saw your picture was taught cladistics, they would then understand why it is a basal cetacean. They would understand that classification is based on many characters & not just a few that creationists like to tout at the expense of all the others.
Mark

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mark24
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Message 225 of 253 (274798)
01-01-2006 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by randman
01-01-2006 5:56 PM


Re: Minority view
randman,
You mean if students were subject to evo standards for cladistics, and years of virtual brainwashing, then calling a land mammal with virtually no whale features at all, the first whale, could be something they would accept. So we want the right to maintain our absurd overstatements and propaganda technigues because otherwise they might not buy things we want to teach on top of the initial overstatements and illogic.
For classification purposes cladistics does not assume evolution, so that's your first delusion shot down in flames. And yet Pakicetus is grouped with in cetacea. Why? Put simply because in detail it shares more morphology with the cetacea than anything else. That's your second delusion shot down in flames, Pakicetus does have "whale features".
Mark

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