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randman 
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Message 76 of 315 (239122)
08-31-2005 4:37 PM
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08-31-2005 3:10 PM


Re: Can the city be saved?
I'm going to look into it and talk to my fishing friend (it's his boat). But it strikes me that some people could die if they don't start getting freshwater, mosquito repellant and food, and just get them off the island that is now New Orleans and into some air conditioning.

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Message 77 of 315 (239124)
08-31-2005 4:38 PM
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08-31-2005 3:58 PM


Re: Can the city be saved?
Thanks, Monk.

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Message 78 of 315 (239133)
08-31-2005 4:55 PM
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08-31-2005 4:38 PM


Re: Can the city be saved?
They were looking for people with flat-bottomed boats.

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Message 79 of 315 (239136)
08-31-2005 4:59 PM


Many thousands dead, I believe
There's a small town in Miss. which had gotten cut off--the bridge in was destroyed--and finally the search and rescue teams entered the town, took a look around, and said, "This is not a search and rescue mission. It's a bag and tag mission."

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Message 80 of 315 (239144)
08-31-2005 5:02 PM
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08-31-2005 4:59 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
That's horrible, almost unfathomable.
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crashfrog
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Message 81 of 315 (239167)
08-31-2005 6:06 PM


New Orleans - Another Casualty of the Iraq War
Oddly enough, it turns out that this is Bush's fault, too:
quote:
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze.
Bush flip-flopping on his promise to preserve Gulf Coast wetlands almost certainly contributed to the tragedy, as well.
"No one can say they didn't see it coming" | Salon.com
Just like FEMA, I'm going to go ahead and make a prediction of my own - I predict that Tal and Faith and all the other mindless Bush apologists will respond with something like "oh, another liberal 'blame Bush' attempt." My question to you two is, why shouldn't Bush be blamed for this?

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 82 of 315 (239178)
08-31-2005 6:24 PM
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08-31-2005 5:02 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
That's horrible, almost unfathomable.
YOUR god-damn theory said they were not fit to survive.
Herepton

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Message 83 of 315 (239181)
08-31-2005 6:27 PM
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08-31-2005 6:24 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
I don't know who you are yet but that is uncalled for. One more such post and you will be banned.

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crashfrog
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Message 84 of 315 (239188)
08-31-2005 6:41 PM
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08-31-2005 6:27 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
I don't know who you are yet but that is uncalled for.
Not to mention, humerously misdirected. Randman may be many things but he's definately not an evolutionist.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 85 of 315 (239190)
08-31-2005 6:43 PM
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08-31-2005 6:27 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
Sorry I intended the comment for a Darwinist.
Herepton

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Message 86 of 315 (239192)
08-31-2005 6:44 PM
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08-31-2005 6:27 PM


Can I make a suggestion
Can we not have the purely factual "this is what is happening" on one thread and the mud-slinging and blame assigning/dodging on another?

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Message 87 of 315 (239194)
08-31-2005 6:47 PM
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08-31-2005 6:43 PM


Re: Many thousands dead, I believe
It doesn't matter. First there is no such thing as a Darwinist. Second, your comment showed a total lack of even grade school understanding of the Theory of Evolution. Third, it was impolite, sophomoric and uncalled for.
If your future posts do not show an immediate increase in maturity you will have a short life here.
Edited to change to Admin mode.
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Message 88 of 315 (239197)
08-31-2005 6:50 PM
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08-31-2005 6:44 PM


Re: Can I make a suggestion
Certainly, suggest away. I think it's a great idea. Want to make a side-bet on the likelyhood?

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randman 
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Message 89 of 315 (239200)
08-31-2005 6:58 PM
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08-31-2005 6:06 PM


Re: New Orleans - Another Casualty of the Iraq War
If that's true, it's terrible.
Bush was never my first choice although I tend to agree with Paglia that it's not so much Bush but his unwillingness to fire subordinates who give him bad advice.
My hope next election is that Guiliani gets in there. He can say some absolutely stupid things, but I think he'd get the job done better.
I am somewhat shocked they didn't bulk up the levee system although it might not have done any good if they were just concentrating on the levees for Lake Pontchartrain and not the canals.
The thing is this could have been prevented, and highlights a big issue I have with government. We tend to do things at times in the most expensive manner. We wage war in the most expensive manner at times, lobbing million dollar missiles are thousand dollar buildings. We allow something like this to happen so we can create a new federal agency of baggage handlers.
It's the idiocy of government that gets to me at times.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out some of the things that need to be done to protect ourselves as much as we can from natural disasters.
We should bury all power lines so that falling trees do not knock out power, and invest in technology to decentralize the power system anyway and get us off fossil fuels.
We have no business allowing a major city like New Orleans not to have levees that can withstand a Cat 5 hurricane with 200 plus mpr winds. It's cheaper to pay for prevention that what we will pay now.
Of course, we can't do much to protect barrier islands.
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Trump won 
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Message 90 of 315 (239202)
08-31-2005 7:04 PM


Global warming
It's not just Bush.
last cat 5 1992
last cat 5 1965 or around there.
The major hurricanes keep coming quicker because of global warming.
92 to 2005?
That's only 13 years.

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