Commands from God and his general level of interaction in the modern age

Lets review some basic Merriam Webster definitions:1)medium \me-de-em\ n, pl mediums or media \-de-e\ [L] 1 : something in a middle position; also : a middle position or degree 2 : a means of effecting or conveying something 3 : a surrounding or enveloping substance 4 : a channel or system of communication, information, or entertainment 5 : a mode of artistic expression 6 : an individual held to be a channel of communication between the earthly world and a world of spirits 7 : a condition or environment in which something may function or flourish2)medium adj : intermediate in amount, quality, position, or degreeBased on Webster, all of us are mediums.Remember the famous quotation of
arshall McLuhan?media \me-de-e\ n, pl medias : medium 4The Bible calls Jesus the Mediator between God and man. What does Webster have to say about this word? What does Strongs have to say?mediate \me-de-at\ vb -ated; -ating 1 : to act as an intermediary; esp : to work with opposing sides in order to resolve (as a dispute) or bring about (as a settlement) 2 : to bring about, influence, or transmit (as a physical process or effect) by acting as an intermediate or controlling agent or mechanism syn intercede, intervene, interpose, interfere mediation \me-de-a-shen\ n mediator \me-de-a-ter\ n Strongs calls a mediator an internunciator or (by implication) an intercessor or a reconciler.The O.T. word, medium in the NIV, is "familiar spirit" in the KJV.Familiar meaning recognized, to instruct or designate..(as familiar)
Based on the root :To Know.A medium seems intent on a one way message from point A to oneself.A mediator, by contrast, knows both parties (A) and (B) and seeks reconciliation.Question to ponder: If "spirits" exist, how many basic kinds, alligences, or messages are there?

History can't be used to generalize for people that believe in God today. I didn't take part in the Spanish Inquisition, I have killed no Indians. And I am Christian.Christians are people, and people do these things, not because they believe in Jesus. The gospels show contrary views to a lot of Christians, especially the Christians on TV, and the Christians who exterminated people throughout history.

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The thing is if you do hate you probably either doesn't realize that it is hate or that you rationalize to yourself that it is not hate.

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Who would I hate? Why would I hate others? I have no motives...(You might be banned, try to respond later, I really want to know about what you think of me as a Christian.)

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You don`t get off the hook that easily, Prophex. Those Christ-killers through history were using the same dogma that captures you today. No essential re-writes took place in Scriptures to clean up Christianity. Religion bends the Scriptures to suit whatever suits its purpose. Another society? Teach them our superior ways and kill those who resist. Another religion? Kill them as pagans or infidels. Another Christian interpretation? Torture and kill the heretics. All in the name of love. Still going on today. As long as Christians justify their actions from the Scriptures, anything goes. When they eventually accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as the prime arbiter of human behavior, we might see a change, but I`m not holding my breath.

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You don`t get off the hook that easily, Prophex.

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What you fail to realize, is that for me, the hook doesn't exist.

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Those Christ-killers through history were using the same dogma that captures you today. No essential re-writes took place in Scriptures to clean up Christianity.

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Actually most of "those Christ-killers" interpreted what I have read to be totally different, forming it around their actions for justification.

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Religion bends the Scriptures to suit whatever suits its purpose.

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You personify 'religion', PEOPLE bend the meanings.

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Another society? Teach them our superior ways and kill those who resist. Another religion? Kill them as pagans or infidels. Another Christian interpretation? Torture and kill the heretics. All in the name of love.

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What do you think love means? I always thought it was a good thing. The people we are talking about didn't use love, or justify what they were doing with love, they used Greed, and became dehumanized. We already know our history, but you seem to target Christians, what about Nazis, or Capitalists, I mean, People do these things no matter what they believe in, thoughtout history.What I believe in is simply beautiful, and has shown me to love, not to kill. So stop twisting Jesus.

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Still going on today.

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PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF CHRISTIANS KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD TODAY

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When they eventually accept the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as the prime arbiter of human behavior, we might see a change, but I`m not holding my breath.

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What are you talking about?I know there are things wrong with the Christian community, but when hasn't there been since the time of Jesus?Heres a human rights declaration that solves everthing. Matthew 22:38"Love your neighbor as yourself" -JesusThis is what should be followed, screw the declaration of human rights, this covers it all.

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I have no idea what you meant to be saying in that post, Phat. I don't see how all those definitions clarify anything.Are you claiming a Christian can be a medium?Christ is our mediator. A medium is not a mediator. A medium in the sense Charles asked the question is what I said, somebody who communicates with demons. A "familiar spirit" is a demon, one a medium hangs out with.

You are right, and that was my point. The reason that the Jehovahs witnesses have it wrong is because they see Jesus as just a messenger...a go-between from Jehovah to humanity.(like an angel)Remember my objective/subjective discussion? A King is an object...we are subjects. God is the King, yet it is impossible to love a great field of energy, or a cloud, or a great pillar of fire...with all of ones heart, soul, mind, and strength. Likewise, we do not even have it within us to love our neighbor as ourselves.This is why a mediator was and is needed. A mediator who understands God because He is God, yet who understands man because He is a man.A mere messenger angel would never be able to reconcile humanity to God. That was my point.Notice how Hebrews calls Jesus: Now...author \o-ther\ n originator, author, fr. augere to increase 1 : one that originates or creates 2 : one that writes or composes a literary workJesus was more than a messanger. He was the very Creator made flesh who dwelt among us. Only then can He be a true mediator.As for the issue of "familiar" spirits---mediums--think familial.After the Fall, every other spirit besides the Holy One became familiar...or familial. People rejected Christ (and still do) because His Spirit is the Spirit of God...not the spirit of familiarity that pervades humanity. This is why so many can agree to reject christ while holding on to their own (familiar) human wisdom and/or other wannabe gods and devotions which also are so familiar.In other words, ye shall be as gods....turns into the Tower of Babel scenario where the people have become as one...(familiarity) yet without a Capstone (Jesus Christ) but a pyramid with the eye of Baal
the idolatrous spirit of human wisdom.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-29-2005 10:11 PM

We`re not talking about you, or Nazis or capitalists, we`re talking about religion in action. It`s the doctrine that enables killers to justify their actions. Whether a Jew blowing up a refugee camp, an Islamic terrorist taking out civilians on trains, or a Christian using 'smart bombs' that go astray and wipe out unarmed women and children, all can find justification. Till religionists stop pointing the finger at others and start cleaning out their own nest, they will be tarred with the same brush.
Try these sites for Christians in action. You do remember Bosnia, don`t you?http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html
The 1995 gendercide on Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica - GendercideIf you want a roll-call of the last 60 odd years, I sure I can dig it up.

No. This is not true. Catholicism, for instance, spent a long time hiding the scriptures from people -- they only allowed it to be printed in Latin, as I recall (not the language of their parishoners). My mother was Catholic...when she was a child, they still conducted many services in Latin, which no one understood (except, presumeably the priest). Furthermore, quite an argument can be made that catholicism does not resemble biblical christianity in the least.Catholicism is a political power (a kingdom of this world). God's church is a kingdom not of this world. How many world leaders (including Bush!) consult the Pope? How many world leaders consulted the apostle Peter?(note I don't trust Bush, and I don't trust the Pope!)Catholics do what their pope tells them to. If that command is to kill Indians in the new world, then Catholics will do it (though probably not American catholics...as they are rebellious catholics).The Pope is not God. The Pope is not Christ. The apostle Peter was not a Pope.Christians do what Christ tells them to do...His commandments are clearly outlined in the new testament.--JasonThis message has been edited by TheLiteralist, 08-30-2005 06:04 AM

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I would guess that if you authentically heard the voice of God, you wouldn't mistake it with schizophrenia, but the opposite is not necessarily true. That's very scary.

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A command from God wouldn't be scary, gimme some evidence that God would tell me to kill people, or has before. I know in the OT there are moments, like Moses being a messenger for God's judgement, but I don't think you can find anything for me.

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we`re talking about religion in action.

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You can't blame religion, the people that believe in a religion are to blame.

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or a Christian using 'smart bombs' that go astray and wipe out unarmed women and children

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When? What did that Christian say after it happened?

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It`s the doctrine that enables killers to justify their actions. Whether a Jew blowing up a refugee camp, an Islamic terrorist taking out civilians on trains

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Islam doesn't tell people to kill people, the 'terrorist' usually has motives relative to land, holy city occupation, or political opposition.Provide me with real life examples please, stop with this pretending.

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Read a little Wahabbi history.