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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
While it was on the ocean it was apparently classified as a low-level hypercane, with wind speeds of about 300 mph. I watched it closely and saw nothing like that. The highest winds were around 200 mph. It's true that this was one of the strongest hurricanes on record (maybe breaking the top 5), but it wasn't the strongest ever. It just hit an area either poorly prepared for it, or too vulnerable to do much about it. It was not unusual if you look at storms over the past 150 years, and it was expected. Had New Orleans just beefed up the levees, the disaster would be terrible, but not the catastrophic level it is today. The Gulf communities directly hit would still, of course, been wiped out, but it's not the first time a hurricane has done that, nor the last.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Why can't FEMA fly in supplies and drop them off to them? The crisis doesn't appear to be handled very well.
I live pretty far away and have considered going there with a buddy and a boat and supplies to help out, but not so sure about getting there from the JAX area.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
There was a well-known prophet who prophesied a year ago in Baton Rouge about the "winds and water" from the south that would change New Orleans, have people lying on their faces crying out to God, but it seems the evil most preached against was false leadership in the Church, not homosexuality. The word though is interesting because in context it is a word of great hope and blessing that would come from this. It's not so much mentioned as a judgement of God, though in one sense it is because it states how it would bring change and holiness, but is really about an awakening, especially in the African-American churches and community in Louisiana and that part of country.
He repeatedly warned in the word to prepare "The WIND and WATER will rise in the midst of New Orleans. Many from the south will come north for refuge. Prepare. Prepare now for winds and water that will surprise you.....Prepare! Prepare! Prepare! Shift! Saul will be no more. David will arise from this day forward. The wind from the south will begin to blow. Watch for the effects. This will purify the land and bring great change." I can see how some might scoff at this and think it's vague, but for those with ears to hear, sometimes great things can come from terrible beginnings.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
good one here questioning Bush's response
Opinion | Waiting for a Leader - The New York Times And Brooks makes some insightful comments as usual.
We'd like to think that the stories of hurricanes and floods are always stories of people rallying together to give aid and comfort. And, indeed, each of America's great floods has prompted a popular response both generous and inspiring. But floods are also civic examinations. Amid all the stories that recur with every disaster - tales of sudden death and miraculous survival, the displacement and the disease - there is also the testing. Civic arrangements work or they fail. Leaders are found worthy or wanting. What's happening in New Orleans and Mississippi today is a human tragedy. But take a close look at the people you see wandering, devastated, around New Orleans: they are predominantly black and poor. The political disturbances are still to come. Opinion | The Storm After the Storm - The New York Times
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
good one here questioning Bush's response
Opinion | Waiting for a Leader - The New York Times And Brooks makes some insightful comments as usual.
We'd like to think that the stories of hurricanes and floods are always stories of people rallying together to give aid and comfort. And, indeed, each of America's great floods has prompted a popular response both generous and inspiring. But floods are also civic examinations. Amid all the stories that recur with every disaster - tales of sudden death and miraculous survival, the displacement and the disease - there is also the testing. Civic arrangements work or they fail. Leaders are found worthy or wanting. What's happening in New Orleans and Mississippi today is a human tragedy. But take a close look at the people you see wandering, devastated, around New Orleans: they are predominantly black and poor. The political disturbances are still to come. Opinion | The Storm After the Storm - The New York Times
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Yea, He can and does, but that doesn't mean you aren't inviting other forces into your life.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
A guy named Chuck Pierce. Don't know a lot about him, but friends in 3 different churches sometimes e-mail his e-newsletter. He is well-known in the circles that accept that sort of thing.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nope, I haven't noticed that, but I have noticed a lot of people making false accusations about other people's motives.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Never heard anyone call Oral Roberts a prophet. Have you?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
deerbrah, lots of people converse with God. It's called prayer.
Oral Robers was or is an evangelist. You can criticize him all you want, but he's never been considered a prophet.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nuggin, that's one person claiming millions consider him a prophet. I can say I have only heard of him being described as an evangelist, not a prophet, and I have heard him describe himself as an evangelist.
A web-site can say anything it wants. It has no credibility.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Agreed. It is unacceptable. I cannot figure out why they haven't airlifted supplies or sent in the Marines either.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The feds have soaked us for major dollars with all this Homeland security stuff, and look what we have.
Maybe government responders are not what we need, and we should have an independent authority or organization, run by the people, that trains and is ready to respond in such a catastrophe? I really think it isn't a lack of funding for FEMA and the government people, but too much funding and beaurocrats and not enough action. Perhaps we need more of a quasi-independent group, something more like the FED, or totally independent. The incompetence in government leadership in this whole thing is staggering. Heck, a few thousand fishermen in boats could probably have done a better job evacuating people.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
marines with amphibious vehicles
There are a lots of options. It just looks to me like the Homeland Security stuff is load of crap. FEMA worked better before they were put under Homeland Security. What we needed down there was some strong leadership commandeering forces to evacuate all of the people, and to have 10,000 or more armed troops, 101st and Marines, and tell them to shoot anyone looting, except for grocery stores, which imo is not really looting since the food would go bad anyway and the people need supplies.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4925 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I'm with you. This is deplorable. We need some leadership bad, and when it doesn't happen, Bush should step in to make it happen.
Declare martial law. What I wish the president had done and would do is put one man in charge of all of the resources, and give him a special cell-phone number direct to the president, and tell the guy the president is available personally night and day, and that anytime he needs back-up, call the president on the phone and let him talk to whoever needs to be corrected, and just get the job done. This has been heart-breaking to watch. It really seem negligent. Of course, the president should not have to be the one to make this happen. First off, the governor of Louisiana should be making it happen. Secondly, the FEMA guys should be doing something more, but really in a catastrophe this size, we should have had the military take-over entirely and told them to restore and maintain order, and immediately evacuate the people from the city.
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