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Monk Member (Idle past 3946 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Holmes writes: You are correct that it would be irresponsible not to coordinate efforts. Now lets deal with the reality here. What could they possibly do at the fed level that would hinder operations underway by the state and local gov'ts? Those entities are already despairing (quite publicly) that they have coordination problems in and of themselves due to their isolated and overwhelmed conditions. Its not a matter of hindering the Feds. I never said that, I said the Feds need to coordinate, discuss, and plan how they will get involved in a situation that already involves state and local personnel. I said upthread that:
quote: You asserted this statement as inaccurate by saying:
quote: Holmes, you are jumping around here without making a point. You disagree that the Feds job is to assist. Your point was that they do not need to call anyone, just go down there and get the job done, simple. Then you retracted that and said I was correct in that it would be irresponsible not to coordinate efforts. Now you are asking what could the feds do that would not hinder operations. Who said they would be a hindrance? Do you mean they wouldn’t be a hindrance if they just went down their without coordinating efforts? What is your point?
Why on earth should he say that when he is talking about what to do NOW? As far as I could tell he was discussing reponse problems, not preventative issues. Yes, he was discussing response problems but he was also criticizing the Feds for not being there already. His criticism is hypocrisy because of HIS lack of planning. Had the planning been in place, the Feds might have been there already. That’s what I was responding to.
They are overwhelmed. They said so. The time to act was back when they said so... at the very latest. No Holmes, as I said upthread, the time to get the Feds involved was way back on Saturday when Katrina turned Cat 5 within 300 miles of NO. Nagin should have been on the phone with the Feds at that moment. Instead, he was directing folks to the Superdome for evacuation.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I tend to agree with Randman that a lot of the delay has to do with bureaucratic snags. I'm not sure about the details of his analysis, but I agree with his general point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure there's a lot of 100% accurate hindsight being developed by the people in charge of these things by now, but it looks to me like despite the best intentions and dedicated work of the helpers, the magnitude of the problem has simply swamped all available solutions. A representative from FEMA was on the news this morning saying that because of the power outage and general communication problems, they didn't even know about the people who had been directed away from the Superdome where they were concentrating their efforts.
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dsv Member (Idle past 4746 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
From my friend's post (at a tech company in New Orleans):
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5055 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I was in a "life sentence" tier of New O's Jail looking up at during Waco. No different here. The look i s the same in red or b&w. My prayers are with the lifers of NO whether with or without foti. War is not al therE is warez was.
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Lizard Breath Member (Idle past 6718 days) Posts: 376 Joined: |
We have about 300 helicopters and 60 fixed wings working right now. We have more on standby but airspace is getting crowded and there isn't enough ramp space at the exchange points to handle more safely.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hey LB. If you're part of the First Service, you have my full admiration. You folk are top notch and real heros.
IIRC though, you guys are somewhat short on shallow draft vessels due to the normal theater of operations. What is being done (the supply of shallow draft vessels in the area should be fine) to set up coordination, supply and maintenance for those that can be found? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Apparently Lott's house was destroyed and he was on the waterfront in Pascagoula. A lot of old antibellum houses there, an inn that used to be a (slave holding) plantation (with blood stain in one room from chained slaves -- creepy)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Welcome back guy! Ya had us worried.
Yeah, and I thought a day without internet service was horrid ...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
welcome to the fray
Don't believe the "unacceptable" comments from Bush. I will when he starts to fire people. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
monk writes: The Federal government’s job in these type of disasters is to assist local and state officials. Actually, since the Dept of Homeland Security was commissioned that has changed. More on a new topic soon.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So far Bush has planned photo ops for himself. here's one:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/...lure-of-leadership.html Arriving back in Washington Sept 1st ...
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Lizard Breath Member (Idle past 6718 days) Posts: 376 Joined: |
Sure, he didn't. His first belated arrangements appear to be flyovers for press and morale uses. You show your ignorance to the situation. Command orders came down 12 hours after the storm hit to reconfigure the aircraft for FEMA missions.
Not if arrangements were being made in a timely and efficient manner I wouldn't. You show your ignorance to the situation. The flooding changed the nature of the situation to where amphibious craft were required that were not in theater. Standard relief assets were in place before the storm made land.
Wow, wtf are you and members of your unit doing reading the posts of some "pony tailed" jerk like me, much less responding to them, when there are all those people to be helping? You show your ignorance to the situation. We are working 16 hour shifts but we work around the flying schedules. The longest that any one crew is down range is 12 hours. I will be back down range in 3 hours as of right now but that could change. So with the flow of the flying schedule and maintenence requirements, you have short periods of total chaos followed by longer periods of calm and waiting for the next mission. As down range ramp space becomes available, flights are imiediately scrambled to be there as soon as another flight is airborn. So we have time to check in on your spewing at least once per shift. Right now we are on hold until more police can secure the down range ramps. Can't talk about what happened there today.
Your mischaracterization is noted. Build another strawman. And again you show your ignorance to the situation. You are the quinticential Granola tye-dyed pony tail flip flop wearing wanna be. Even if President Bush could snap his fingers and make this all better, you'ld complain about noise pollution from the sound. If he had snapped his fingers and made the storm disappear before it made land, you'ld accuse him of altering the natural ecosystem to preserve his oil fortunes. I know it is a loose/loose situation trying to explain to you what is being done without it going back to "Blame George Bush". But you still haven't offered up anything other than your "Ashbury and Haight" spew about what you would do better. Anyone can quote Chris Mathews -
Not if arrangements were being made in a timely and efficient manner I wouldn't. but how about something more explicit so we can see just how much you know.
A dramatic change would be great. I have not dissed the efforts being made. I haved been critical, based on the comments from people on the ground, and reports of what Bush is doing, from his own mouth. Notice that I am not the only person that has been critical. A big change should start to occur within the next 48 hours but the suffering has only just begun for the city's people. The displacements will begin to take their toll in about 8 weeks when the generousity of the country starts to run thin and our economy starts to tank - which it will. George Bush is not going to be able to create 150,000 new jobs that pay 6 figures for each of the inner city New Orleans homeless, and it will be another feeding frenzy to bash George Bush.
I have not dissed the efforts being made. You show your ignorance to the situation. True you have not dirrectly dissed the ground troops. But other than the results being made by the troops, how else do you guage the effectivness of his actions in this situation? What else are you basing your opinon of his performance on? Perhaps whatever Chris Mathews is saying. Again, lay it out step by step in Granola tye-dye pony tail flip flop land as to how specifically George Bush should have handled this situation.
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Lizard Breath Member (Idle past 6718 days) Posts: 376 Joined: |
There's a RISK supply of them in several places around the country, but pulling anything out of a RISK Kit usually means maintenence. Ain't gonna materialize until long after Orleans is evacted.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
A Tip o' the Hat from an old Army combat engineer, LB: you're way off base with the political crap, but you have my total respect for the job.
I think everyone is looking at NO and thinking, "Whoa...what if we do have a major terrorist attack in my city, with bio or chem or nuke agents, requiring full evacuation, etc....this is as ready as we are?" After four years? Nobody shorts the first responders, LB. That's where the guts are. But HQ clearly had a serious case of HUT-B vision (head up the butt, for you non-Nam speakers).
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