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Topic: Hurricane Katrina
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 97 of 315 (239242)
08-31-2005 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by nwr
08-31-2005 8:46 PM
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I know. The irony is that bush will get a popularity boost, not from what he does (say a few countrifried words) but from what the various liberal programs will do ... the ones that move in to help the people pick up the pieces and put their lives back together. 
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 99 of 315 (239249)
08-31-2005 9:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by NosyNed
08-31-2005 8:59 PM
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Re: Global warming
we have evidence of it in other systems, some as far as alaska, where trees are being devastated by an insect that now survives the (milder) winters at higher latitudes - woods that had been protected from such depredations for millenia; or antarctica, where ice shelves are calving and disappearing for the first time in recorded (not just by visual experience but from ice core data) history, again for millenia. to dismiss it as "cyclical" is to say "let's not do anything because we possibly maybe hopefully may not have caused some part of it and we are too happy living our life of excess to give up one car ride" while a rational approach would be "it may in fact be cyclical, but we better do whatever we can to minimize the effects or suffer the consequences"
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 105 of 315 (239269)
08-31-2005 9:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
08-31-2005 9:37 PM
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Edit: Berberry who started this thread hasn't posted since Katrina hit, has he? He's in Vickwburg just north of the major disasters, but they must have been hit too. I am hoping that it is just power out, cable\phone lines down. I was able to make contact with a company in Houma today (on business), so things are picking up.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 123 of 315 (239525)
09-01-2005 12:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 122 by crashfrog
09-01-2005 8:06 AM
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and Militia Survivalist Take-over?
Another example of {culture/society} crumbling under the devastating deluge of disastrous dis-planning, now in addition to general looting (beyond the needs for survival) we have: New Orleans evacuation suspended as shots fired (click)(click)(click) The evacuation of Hurricane Katrina refugees from the Superdome in New Orleans was suspended today after shots were fired at a military helicopter, an ambulance official overseeing the operation said. No immediate injuries were reported. That’s not enough, Zeuschlag. We need a thousand. He said that shots were fired at a military helicopter over the Superdome before daybreak. He also said that during the night, when a medical evacuation helicopter tried to land at a hospital in the outlying town of Kenner, the pilot reported that 100 people were on the landing pad, and some of them had guns. He was frightened and would not land, Zeuschlag. He said medics were calling him and crying for help because they were so scared of people with guns at the Superdome. Frontier mentality? Enjoy?
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 144 of 315 (239765)
09-01-2005 7:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by Monk
09-01-2005 6:27 PM
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Re: Louisiana without clout, President Botch without a plan ... again!
monk writes: One could easily argue that the threat to New Orleans has been known for many years dating back to the flood of 1927 and more recently to the flooding from hurricane Betsy in 1965. Does it make sense to blame LBJ, Carter and Clinton for knowing about the impending disaster in New Orleans and yet do nothing about it? Of course not and neither does blaming Bush. Yes, and I do. I blame everyone that has ignored the very plain warning of Hurricane Camille (1969), and it is inconceivable to me that there has been no plan for such a hurricane throughout the south: NO, Mobile, what's the difference? There should be a plan in place to allow the rapid evacuation of everyone.
There are two distinct issues at hand. The first is emergency preparadness in which first responders in New Orleans are woefully inadequate. That blame rests on local and State officials and perhaps FEMA. Actually, in this "post 9/11 world" where we have a whole new federal agency of Homeland Security to consider all kind of attacks on every square inch of the USof(N)A and from all kinds of speculative causes of mass destruction ... ... one of the FIRST priorities would be the rapid, controlled, managed evacuation of people from any city, but most especially the vulnerable large urban hubs of commerce, like each of the major ports along all the coasts of the USof(N)A. All they needed to do was require states and cities to come up with plans and have them on hand, and then it is just a matter of turning the key to implement such a plan. And what we come to find was ... ... there was no plan. Nobody even thought to think of a plan. And yes, I can blame President Botch for that. He had the mechanism to make it possible, and I would have applauded had that been the case, but he gets no slack for doing nothing. Enjoy. ps - I don't argue with the rest of your post: perhaps if we elected ordinary people instead of self-interested politicians ....
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 148 of 315 (239774)
09-01-2005 7:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by randman
09-01-2005 7:31 PM
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Re: I'd be more careful about mocking God
A web-site can say anything it wants. It has no credibility. bookmarked.  I agree that he is not a prophet. Of course I would also agree with a statement that there are NO prophets ...
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Re: security in New Orleans
the head of FEMA said that security in New Orleans was "very good." boy, I hope security here doesn't get to "poor to midlin" ...
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 154 of 315 (239804)
09-01-2005 9:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 145 by Nuggin
09-01-2005 7:26 PM
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President Botch Inaction ...
heh check this out: http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/...lure-of-leadership.html
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 160 of 315 (239813)
09-01-2005 10:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by Monk
09-01-2005 9:26 PM
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Re: Louisiana without clout, President Botch without a plan ... again!
Look at the Guilliani team and their work immediately post 911. sure but 9/11 was small potatoes compared to dealing with ALL of NO. If they only had to deal with the people in the superdome it would be comparable. if every aid worker in NY on 9/11 had been surrounded by 100 people demanding attention it would have been a different story. AND you had a steady stream of people coming in to help, not just because they wanted to, but because they could. 2,750 people died in the towers, there are\were 25,000 people in the superdome. aid workers in NY had existing operating bases to work from to lend immediate assistance, while in NO those bases need help. And I still say that part of the Homeland Securities MISSION was to develop plans of evacuation that could be implemented in minutes.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 163 of 315 (239816)
09-01-2005 10:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 159 by randman
09-01-2005 10:07 PM
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Re: maybe government is the problem
who do you think is doing the evacuating? http://www.thestate.com/...thestate/news/nation/12529978.htm
After nearly an hour of zigzagging around downed lampposts and plowing through water up to past their wheel wells, a volunteer navy arrived at a staging point in New Orleans East, just south of Lake Pontchartrain. Police Officer Martin Jules warned the men not to overload their boats. Some volunteers have had their rigs taken from them at gunpoint, so Jules also warned them not to be heroes. These people have been out here two or three days, he said, standing on the bow of a flatboat. They’re scared, they’re tired, they’re thirsty, they’re hungry. If it gets hostile, we roll, OK? Perhaps what is needed is a federal program. Instead of words.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 172 of 315 (239827)
09-01-2005 11:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 171 by Monk
09-01-2005 10:41 PM
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Re: Not just the coast
Glad they were able to get out. I used to live in Pascagoula, and there was one tropical depression that came over while we were there - that was bad enough thanks. of course, then we moved to "tornado alley" ...
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 173 of 315 (239828)
09-01-2005 11:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by dsv
09-01-2005 10:25 PM
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Re: Louisiana without clout
you mean like the food and medical supplies that were dropped in Afghanistan?
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand
Rebel AAmerican .Zen [Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 178 of 315 (239833)
09-01-2005 11:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 176 by Monk
09-01-2005 11:17 PM
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Re: Not just the coast
at least you have time to evacuate from hurricanes. we were hardly there a week and had to run from the (rented mobile home) to the shelter ... it knocked down trees in the neighboring town, not a long walk away. now on the east coast, all I have to worry about is nor'easters. Do you have any word of Pascagoula? I haven't heard any, and with Ingalls there ... This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*01*2005 11:26 PM
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 218 of 315 (240063)
09-02-2005 6:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Monk
09-01-2005 11:34 PM
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Re: Not just the coast
Apparently Lott's house was destroyed and he was on the waterfront in Pascagoula. A lot of old antibellum houses there, an inn that used to be a (slave holding) plantation (with blood stain in one room from chained slaves -- creepy)
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 219 of 315 (240064)
09-02-2005 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 190 by berberry
09-02-2005 9:57 AM
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Re: Power finally restored at my house
Welcome back guy! Ya had us worried. Yeah, and I thought a day without internet service was horrid ...
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