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RAZD
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Message 220 of 315 (240065)
09-02-2005 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Verotika
09-02-2005 12:01 PM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
welcome to the fray

Don't believe the "unacceptable" comments from Bush.

I will when he starts to fire people.


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Message 221 of 315 (240066)
09-02-2005 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Monk
09-02-2005 12:41 PM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
monk writes:

The Federal government’s job in these type of disasters is to assist local and state officials.

Actually, since the Dept of Homeland Security was commissioned that has changed.

More on a new topic soon.


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RAZD
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Message 222 of 315 (240070)
09-02-2005 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Silent H
09-02-2005 12:54 PM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
So far Bush has planned photo ops for himself.

here's one:

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/failure-of-leadership.html

Arriving back in Washington Sept 1st ...


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RAZD
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Message 237 of 315 (240112)
09-02-2005 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Lizard Breath
09-02-2005 7:20 PM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
Just a question: we knew this storm was going to hit somewhere and that it was big enough to affect many cities on the coast ...

You show your ignorance to the situation. Command orders came down 12 hours after the storm hit to reconfigure the aircraft for FEMA missions.

... so why wasn't that 12 hours BEFORE the storm hit? OR MORE?

I mean, really: 12 hours AFTER????

Why weren't they reconfigured, loaded and ready to go before the storm hit?


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Message 238 of 315 (240113)
09-02-2005 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by MangyTiger
09-02-2005 8:20 PM


Re: Future problems
My money would be on the Yuan.

And China would start telling us what to do ...

Somebody is selling this country, and it's not just people buying from Walmart.


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Message 239 of 315 (240115)
09-02-2005 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Monk
09-02-2005 12:41 PM


Leadership missing ...
the new topic on the leadership responsibilities of the Dept of Homeland Security is at

www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1007&m=1

From the DHS website.


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Message 261 of 315 (240351)
09-04-2005 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
09-03-2005 7:53 PM


choose ignorance!
as long as God is ignored or reviled or considered to be remote

ah yes, and of course as long as science and evidence is reviled or ignored, whether it involves the evidence of global warming and the effects of a few degrees on extreme weather or the efects of pollution or the behavior of tectonic plates and soil settlement,

as long as we have a government that keeps reducing the spending on keeping infrastructure operational if not improved,

as long as people keep pouring in to live in places prone to disasters of remote probability ...

... then it won't be our fault when it happens, and when it does we can always revile the people that told us different and continue to ignore the evidence.

so let's chose to be ignorant and not do anything.

enjoy.

{edited to rewrite for more clarity}

This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*04*2005 09:13 AM


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Message 268 of 315 (240364)
09-04-2005 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Lizard Breath
09-04-2005 9:23 AM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
They are stored in WRSK kits in various places around the country.

So there were none stored in the area around a known flooding hazard and a known hurrican hazard, that could deal with the known potential disaster as well as be a staging ground for other areas.

I'm sorry, LB, I think the Coast Guard is doing a fantastic job with the resources, but I think there {is\was} severe disconnect on what needed to be done 5, 10 years ago, plus what the DHS by their own mandate should have had planned, and what we see.

I think you {guys\gals} we left holding the bag with the bottom cut off.


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Message 282 of 315 (240452)
09-04-2005 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by jar
09-04-2005 10:03 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
The Casinos started with boats that had to go out to "international waters" before they could open the casinos, thus you had a dinner cruise a little gamboling, and then a band for entertainment on the way back.

The casinos lobbied for and got exemptions from the need to go to the IW line, and that is when the {barely floating \ sunk at the dock} barges started being used.

Of course the good people didn't want to legalize gambling on land because it was sinful, they just wanted it nearby .... the "line between saturday night and sunday morning" (Jimmy Buffet)


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RAZD
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Message 286 of 315 (240461)
09-04-2005 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by jar
09-04-2005 10:28 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
I was there when the first boats were being used on the MS coast. That was a while ago ...

The legislation that was approved at the state level left it up to the towns to regulate, they were the ones that initially required the offshore trips.

Of course as soon as one allowed it dockside the other followed so as not to lose the golden goose.


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RAZD
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Message 288 of 315 (240464)
09-04-2005 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Lizard Breath
09-04-2005 10:45 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
especially when you know how shallow it is there and what that does with waves.

of course the ones that were not capable of floating ... or had no COI\Stability Letter ...

sitting ducks.


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Message 304 of 315 (240511)
09-05-2005 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Faith
09-05-2005 3:03 AM


Faith Hate
Just to correct a few misimpressions.

let us know when you do. yours that is.

your god must love Cuba:
http:///cgi bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=988&m=295#295

the problem is that you make conclusions irrelevant to the evidence.

personally I think you owe everyone on this board an apology for your narrowminded "blame everybody but me including people who live as far away as alaska (but I'm ok I believe in my god)" attitude

but I don't expect to see one coming, because of your narrowminded "blame everybody but me including people who live as far away as alaska (but I'm ok I believe in my god)" attitude

this is the same attitude that would take the preventative measures used by cuba to deal with their cat5 hurricane and which prevented the loss of life ... and attribute that to your god, not to the people that did the actual work.

get a reality check while your on vacation, they're cheap. In fact because of the hurricane, they're on discount.

This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*05*2005 07:34 AM


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