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berberry
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Message 271 of 315 (240369)
09-04-2005 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Lizard Breath
09-04-2005 9:57 AM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
Typical "blame the victim" bullshit. If the feds had been there from the start with water, food and medical supplies none of this would have happened. But as it did happen, you and other moralists have the opportunity to pass judgement on people less fortunate than you are.

If a disaster like this happens in any other large city anywhere in America (or any other country for that matter) and help doesn't arrive for FOUR GODDAMNED DAYS, the exact same sorts of things will happen.

The blame lies squarely with the authorities. It isn't a republican or democrat thing; the mayor, the LA governor, the FEMA director, the chief of Homeland Security and the president all failed those people. Not all of them were committing rapes, not all of them were stealing things (and many who were should be honored, not reviled, since many were stealing food for their babies or buses to get people the hell out of there since no one else was doing it), not all of them were behaving badly in any way whatsoever. But all of them were failed by their government.


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crashfrog
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Message 272 of 315 (240370)
09-04-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Lizard Breath
09-04-2005 9:57 AM


I would expect human beings to not create rape rooms and to not enguage the people who are there to help them. I would expect anger and rage in their tones, but not a breakdown of moral values.

It's an unfortunate but not surprising outcome. The vast majority of most people's morals are social; that is, they do what's right because they see their friends do it, and they refrain from transgression because they know they'll be punished.

When you turn that on its head; when everyone you see is doing something wrong or evil and there's not likely to be anyone that can punish you, you'll commit these acts. That's how you get abuses at Abu Ghraib, that's how you get hundreds of thousands of normal German soldiers to participate in the Holocaust, that's how you get the war crimes of Rwanda and the Sudan.

It's not a justification, but it's the explanation. It's a rare human being indeed that can remain moral in the face of immorality. I suspect every one of us here would have little compunction about committing questionable acts in a similar, desprate situation. (I'm pretty sure that none of us would rape anybody, of course.)

When you tell people that they are highly evolved animals, they will act like such.

Possibly, but even when you tell people that they're the special creations of a moralistic god, they still act like highly evolved animals when the chips are down.

Given the economic status of most of the victims, and the condition of most of New Orleans's schools, my guess is that the victims in question were instructed in a religious view of morality much more than in some evolutionary view.


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Omnivorous
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Message 273 of 315 (240432)
09-04-2005 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
09-03-2005 7:53 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
Faith, you ignorant slut.

I won't quote you, because I don't want the pond scum on my fingers.

You nasty, moronic, snake-headed cow.

Our local papers are also printing "Sodom and New Orleans" letters: what a swell bunch you Xians are!

Pat Robertson blamed gays and gay-tolerant Americans for 9/11: did you sign up for that, too, Faith? God will slaughter the innocent until Americans crack down on the sinners?

You idiot maggot-brain, you foul, hate-spewing freak.

Are you really so simple-minded and bile-hearted to believe that bad things only happen to bad people, all by the will of God?

Even your own Bible contradicts that notion, you hateful, self-righteous, santimonious, morally loathsome bitch. Go re-read the Book of Job: feature yourself as one of his ninny neighbors.

I hope you face judgment by exactly the God you claim to worship; you should hope and pray you do not.

Faith, your name is contagion.

Jar, boot me out of here, the air is foul.


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Message 274 of 315 (240436)
09-04-2005 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Omnivorous
09-04-2005 9:29 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
I'll do the "favor." You're gone. Indefinitely. You better email Admin to plead your case why you should be allowed back in here.

We're not in the business of trading this level of foul posting for a 24 hour suspension. Sorry. Not happening.

You really could have chosen a better time to spread this kind of filth than now by the way.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 275 of 315 (240443)
09-04-2005 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
09-03-2005 7:53 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
As long as the attitude continues to prevail in this country that disaster is a matter of statistics and nothing out of the ordinary, as long as God is ignored or reviled or considered to be remote from these "ordinary" disasters, they will only get worse.

This type of talk is nothing new to anybody here. This person is some kind of double talk professional but I'm not fooled.

Many times, the people who hate Christianity will plant one of there own in the group as a radical and then try to paint the whole group as a bunch of waccos. Just like when everyone says that all Christians are striving to blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors who perform them. True, 5 doctors have been killed this way, but American society has been fooled into thinking that all Christians are radical murders.

Same here with this poster. Get it straight.

If God wanted to cause this and judge the nation for it's behavior, none of us would be here. That is not what happened. Show me a true prophet who accuratly predicted this 3 months ago and warned the nation of the coming judgement, and I'll say then it came from God. But to armchair this and then pull scripture in to support it is disingenious to Christianity and betrays the poster as just someone trying to discredit anyone who follows the Bible.


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Nuggin
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Message 276 of 315 (240444)
09-04-2005 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by DrJones*
09-03-2005 8:03 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
Heathen! Blaspheme!

Poseidon is the God of the seas. It was his wrath that wrought distruction upon the worshipers of the false god.

To credit his almighty power to your silly little "Thor" is to deny the obvious evidence that Poseidon's law is final!


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Nuggin
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Message 277 of 315 (240445)
09-04-2005 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
09-03-2005 7:53 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
I agree with Faith and the other Christians, we should not be sending aid to places destroyed by God, lest we face his wrath for trying to undo his works.

It's important that Faith and the other Christians call/write/picket their congressmen to make their possition of non-assistance clear.


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Lizard Breath
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Message 278 of 315 (240446)
09-04-2005 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Omnivorous
09-04-2005 9:29 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
Even your own Bible contradicts that notion, you hateful, self-righteous, santimonious, morally loathsome bitch. Go re-read the Book of Job: feature yourself as one of his ninny neighbors.

That is true. If God descides it's time to judge this country, there will be no debate about it. To try to say that this was it, is pious chest thumping by the pseudo-self rightous.

As far as all the casino talk, I think anyone who built such expensive structures at the waters edge in the gulf is more a testament to human greed and stupidity than to any form of judgement of God.


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jar
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Message 279 of 315 (240447)
09-04-2005 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Lizard Breath
09-04-2005 10:00 PM


Casinos at the waters edge.
That was more the result of law. To keep immoral gambling off the sacred shores it was legislated that immoral gambling had to be done offshore. Thus all the casinos were built as boats, not navigable, but boats.

Gives a whole new meaning to Floating a Business Plan. ;)


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Lizard Breath
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Message 280 of 315 (240448)
09-04-2005 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Nuggin
09-04-2005 10:00 PM


Re: The Tragedy that Keeps on Taking
I agree with Faith and the other Christians, we should not be sending aid to places destroyed by God, lest we face his wrath for trying to undo his works.

Again, this is obvious that one poster will paint the whole wall for everyone who claims to be a Christian. I think you are smart enough to spot a plant when you read posts by them.

If you are not, it is far easier to believe what you want about a group and if you want to believe that they are all bad, you gravitate to a fraudulent plant's post to justify it.

But where is she saying that we shouldn't be sending aid to NO. Are you making this stuff up or was it said in another thread?


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Lizard Breath
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Message 281 of 315 (240449)
09-04-2005 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by jar
09-04-2005 10:03 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
I think that if the legislators thought it was imoral, they should have banned it. I tend to think that there was money to be made by someone who wrote the codes from that kind of crazy construction requirements. Greed via the politicians. And stupidity by the casino owners by saying "Well, O.K."

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RAZD
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Message 282 of 315 (240452)
09-04-2005 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by jar
09-04-2005 10:03 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
The Casinos started with boats that had to go out to "international waters" before they could open the casinos, thus you had a dinner cruise a little gamboling, and then a band for entertainment on the way back.

The casinos lobbied for and got exemptions from the need to go to the IW line, and that is when the {barely floating \ sunk at the dock} barges started being used.

Of course the good people didn't want to legalize gambling on land because it was sinful, they just wanted it nearby .... the "line between saturday night and sunday morning" (Jimmy Buffet)


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Lizard Breath
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Message 283 of 315 (240454)
09-04-2005 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Silent H
09-03-2005 5:43 AM


Re: Mayor Lashes out at Feds
However, you appear ignorant of history, and concepts of proper planning. As RAZD has already pointed out, commands should have been coming down before the storm hit. It did not take a genius, based on basic knowledge of hurricanes and flooding, especially around NO, to realize the potential for serious trouble was there

OK, since you know so much. Tell me how they do it in Granola tye-dyed pony tail flip flop wearin' land.

Senario - You have 3 mobile field nuclear decon hospital units. Each unit requires 4 C-5A Gallaxy aircraft to transport them into position. They require 36 hours to service prior to transport. They require 12 hours to load and 12 more to unload and then 24 hours to assemble.

You must preposition the hardware in either one or three different locations around the country, ready for either a dirty nuke or at worst, a red mercury hydrogen detonation. If you position then in remote areas for protection, you must remember to also have enough semi trucks to get them back to the cargo aircraft. You need to also get the medics and technicians matched back up to the hardware very quickly so that they both end up in the same spot ready for operation.

You know that 14 soviet suitcase nukes are in this country and could be used as dirty nukes. There are an additonal 4 modern suitcase nukes produced by islamic labs in pakistan. It is also rummored but with a high degree of certainty that at least one red mercury bomb with a 10 megaton throw weight is in this country.

So where would you Mr. Granola tye dyed ponytail flip flop wearin' genius position the 3 units so that they could respond and be set up within 24 hours to respond to a city in need who just befell an attack?


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jar
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Message 284 of 315 (240455)
09-04-2005 10:28 PM
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09-04-2005 10:21 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
Fiction abounds.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Lizard Breath
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Message 285 of 315 (240460)
09-04-2005 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by RAZD
09-04-2005 10:21 PM


Re: Casinos at the waters edge.
Of course the good people didn't want to legalize gambling on land because it was sinful, they just wanted it nearby .... the "line between saturday night and sunday morning" (Jimmy Buffet)

That's pretty good. If anything, if you are right, it's the Christians who should be apoligizing to the Non's, because if it was God's judgement, it was on the Chriatians who are serving or trying to serve 2 masters. The fallout affected everyone, but if this was from God, he's only mad at the Christians who failed him by lacking a spine.

Trouble is, when an actual judgement comes against this country, it will be dirrected towards the church which is failing the rest of the country by not being Lights to the rest of the populace. When you live a double or compromized life, you loose all effectivness and make a mockery of yourself. Nobody's perfect, but Christians should preach with their lifestyles and if absolutly nessessary, open their mouths.


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